Re: [Catalyst] how do you distribute a catalyst app
On Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 08:43:08AM +0300, Octavian Rasnita wrote: Could it be possible to use local::lib and specify that I want to skip the tests for the current module? This also doesn't have anything to do with local::lib. Look for 'notest' in the CPAN.pm docs. (This is a potentially bad idea for all the same reasons 'force' is.) local::lib has nothing to do with how CPAN.pm behaves. Any questions you have about how can I do X while using CPAN.pm should be looked up in the CPAN.pm documentation. local::lib sets environment variables that Module::Build and ExtUtils::MakeMaker use to determine what directory they should go into, and for perl to add extra paths to @INC, and corresponding variables for both inside a Perl process that you use it in. That's all. You seem to have the impression that it touches much more than it actually does, and I think you'll be less confused and have an easier time answering your own questions if you understand local::lib's scope. hdp. ___ List: Catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk Listinfo: http://lists.scsys.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/
Re: [Catalyst] how do you distribute a catalyst app
From: Hans Dieter Pearcey hdp.perl.catalyst.us...@weftsoar.netOn Wed,
Jun 10, 2009 at 10:33:26PM +0300, Octavian Râşniţă wrote:
When using this syntax, where can I specify the local path where I want
to install the Some::Module?
You never do that with local::lib. It sets up the env variables for you
(PERL_MM_OPT and MODULEBUILDRC) -- CPAN.pm doesn't know anything about it.
hdp.
I read in the POD of local::lib that I can specify the local path where the
modules are installed ('my_lwp'):
# Install LWP and it's missing dependencies to the 'my_lwp' directory
perl -MCPAN -Mlocal::lib=my_lwp -e 'CPAN::install(LWP)'
When using this syntax for installing modules in the directory 'my_lwp' I
don't know how I can specify the force parameter of the cpan shell.
Thanks.
Octavian
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Re: [Catalyst] how do you distribute a catalyst app
Octavian Râşniţă wrote: When using this syntax for installing modules in the directory 'my_lwp' I don't know how I can specify the force parameter of the cpan shell. perl -MCPAN -Mlocal::lib=my_lwp -e 'CPAN::force(qw/install LWP/)' Cheers t0m ___ List: Catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk Listinfo: http://lists.scsys.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/
Re: [Catalyst] how do you distribute a catalyst app
From: Tomas Doran bobtf...@bobtfish.net Octavian Râşniţă wrote: When using this syntax for installing modules in the directory 'my_lwp' I don't know how I can specify the force parameter of the cpan shell. perl -MCPAN -Mlocal::lib=my_lwp -e 'CPAN::force(qw/install LWP/)' Cheers t0m Thank you. local::lib seems to work fine, but not always: perl -MCPAN -Mlocal::lib=support -e CPAN::install(HTML::FormFu) The result: Database was generated on Thu, 11 Jun 2009 17:08:37 GMT HTML::FormFu is up to date (0.05000). But HTML::FormFu is not installed under the support path. Sometimes I succeed to install some of the modules if I add the parameter --self-contained, but sometimes I can't because some dependencies are not installed automaticly, or some modules give very many errors like the case of Moose: Failed 185/213 test programs. 20/536 subtests failed. (This error is given when I try to install Moose using the standard cpan command line also.) Octavian ___ List: Catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk Listinfo: http://lists.scsys.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/
Re: [Catalyst] how do you distribute a catalyst app
On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 09:23:41PM +0300, Octavian Râşniţă wrote: perl -MCPAN -Mlocal::lib=support -e CPAN::install(HTML::FormFu) The result: Database was generated on Thu, 11 Jun 2009 17:08:37 GMT HTML::FormFu is up to date (0.05000). But HTML::FormFu is not installed under the support path. Because it's already installed somewhere else, and you didn't use --self-contained. Failed 185/213 test programs. 20/536 subtests failed. (This error is given when I try to install Moose using the standard cpan command line also.) This isn't an error, this is a summary. No one can help you fix the problem if all you give is the summary instead of the actual error log. Nopaste, or attach, or something? hdp. ___ List: Catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk Listinfo: http://lists.scsys.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/
Re: [Catalyst] how do you distribute a catalyst app
From: Hans Dieter Pearcey hdp.perl.catalyst.us...@weftsoar.net Failed 185/213 test programs. 20/536 subtests failed. (This error is given when I try to install Moose using the standard cpan command line also.) This isn't an error, this is a summary. No one can help you fix the problem if all you give is the summary instead of the actual error log. Nopaste, or attach, or something? hdp. I discovered the problem. Moose requires a newer version of Class::MOP than the one I had it installed. I don't know why cpan didn't try to install the newer version, because I've seen that the newer version was required in the Makefile.PL. But now installs fine after manually installing Class::MOP. Octavian ___ List: Catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk Listinfo: http://lists.scsys.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/
Re: [Catalyst] how do you distribute a catalyst app
On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 10:46:49PM +0300, Octavian Râşniţă wrote: I discovered the problem. Moose requires a newer version of Class::MOP than the one I had it installed. I don't know why cpan didn't try to install the newer version, because I've seen that the newer version was required in the Makefile.PL. But now installs fine after manually installing Class::MOP. CPAN.pm using CPAN::SQLite had some inconsistent behavior with following dependencies until the last version or so. Maybe you got bit by this? hdp. ___ List: Catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk Listinfo: http://lists.scsys.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/
Re: [Catalyst] how do you distribute a catalyst app
From: Hans Dieter Pearcey hdp.perl.catalyst.us...@weftsoar.net On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 10:46:49PM +0300, Octavian Râşniţă wrote: I discovered the problem. Moose requires a newer version of Class::MOP than the one I had it installed. I don't know why cpan didn't try to install the newer version, because I've seen that the newer version was required in the Makefile.PL. But now installs fine after manually installing Class::MOP. CPAN.pm using CPAN::SQLite had some inconsistent behavior with following dependencies until the last version or so. Maybe you got bit by this? hdp. Aha, that might be the problem because I installed that plugin for CPAN that uses a local database. I tried for more times to install the newer version of CPAN, but each time I've done this, CPAN gave errors when trying to install a module with it, so I let the version that came with the ActivePerl distribution. Anyway, I found another problem that disallow me to install some modules with CPAN. Some tests stop the execution and wait forever. In cases like this I used to install the ppm version of those modules, but now if I want to use local::lib I need to manually install those modules and specify the prefix when doing perl Makefile.PL. Could it be possible to use local::lib and specify that I want to skip the tests for the current module? Octavian ___ List: Catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk Listinfo: http://lists.scsys.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/
Re: [Catalyst] how do you distribute a catalyst app
Patricio A. Bruna wrote: wich methods do you use to distribute a catalyst application from on box to another. and suposse this box has diferent operating system, i ment one has suse and the other redhat. what are you recomendations Don't do that. Having an app balanced across two totally dissimilar boxes is going to cause you more issues than across two similar boxes, so I'd just avoid it if possible. If not possible, then I guess distro style packages of all your dependencies would be the way to go. Cheers t0m ___ List: Catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk Listinfo: http://lists.scsys.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/
Re: [Catalyst] how do you distribute a catalyst app
Maybe i explain wrong. I did not mean load balance, i meant deployment. i develop my app on my box, and then i need to deploy it on the production server, with the same operating system. downloading all the modules from cpan is time consuming, are any better way? Patricio Bruna V. IT Linux Ltda. http://www.it-linux.cl Fono : (+56-2) 333 0578 IT Linux en Facebook - Tomas Doran bobtf...@bobtfish.net escribió: Patricio A. Bruna wrote: wich methods do you use to distribute a catalyst application from on box to another. and suposse this box has diferent operating system, i ment one has suse and the other redhat. what are you recomendations Don't do that. Having an app balanced across two totally dissimilar boxes is going to cause you more issues than across two similar boxes, so I'd just avoid it if possible. If not possible, then I guess distro style packages of all your dependencies would be the way to go. Cheers t0m ___ List: Catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk Listinfo: http://lists.scsys.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/ ___ List: Catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk Listinfo: http://lists.scsys.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/
Re: [Catalyst] how do you distribute a catalyst app
Patricio A. Bruna wrote: Maybe i explain wrong. I did not mean load balance, i meant deployment. i develop my app on my box, and then i need to deploy it on the production server, with the same operating system. downloading all the modules from cpan is time consuming, are any better way? Yes. Use a self contained local::lib. Bootstrap local::lib (see the docs), then, from inside your MyApp directory: eval $(perl -I$HOME/perl5/lib/perl5 -Mlocal::lib--self-containted,local_lib) make installdeps And you'll then have all the dependencies for your app (given you listed them in Makefile.PL) built for you, inside your app directory, where you can add them to revision control. I generally have a per-app local::lib, and a couple of trivial shell scripts I put in the scripts/ directory which can give you a shell with the environment setup correctly to see this local::lib etc.. Then pushing a new version of your application (and all your dependencies) is just a case of rsyncing your app up to your web server :) Cheers t0m ___ List: Catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk Listinfo: http://lists.scsys.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/
Re: [Catalyst] how do you distribute a catalyst app
On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 08:14:10PM +0300, Octavian Râşniţă wrote: BTW, regarding local::lib, does anyone know how can I force install a module that gives an error under Windows when I use it? The same way you force install anything using the CPAN shell. CPAN force install Some::Module hdp. ___ List: Catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk Listinfo: http://lists.scsys.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/
Re: [Catalyst] how do you distribute a catalyst app
From: Tomas Doran bobtf...@bobtfish.net Patricio A. Bruna wrote: Maybe i explain wrong. I did not mean load balance, i meant deployment. i develop my app on my box, and then i need to deploy it on the production server, with the same operating system. downloading all the modules from cpan is time consuming, are any better way? Yes. Use a self contained local::lib. Bootstrap local::lib (see the docs), then, from inside your MyApp directory: eval $(perl -I$HOME/perl5/lib/perl5 -Mlocal::lib--self-containted,local_lib) make installdeps And you'll then have all the dependencies for your app (given you listed them in Makefile.PL) built for you, inside your app directory, where you can add them to revision control. I generally have a per-app local::lib, and a couple of trivial shell scripts I put in the scripts/ directory which can give you a shell with the environment setup correctly to see this local::lib etc.. Then pushing a new version of your application (and all your dependencies) is just a case of rsyncing your app up to your web server :) Cheers t0m I think it could be very helpful to add these details on the Deployment page of the wiki. BTW, regarding local::lib, does anyone know how can I force install a module that gives an error under Windows when I use it? Thanks. Octavian ___ List: Catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk Listinfo: http://lists.scsys.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/
Re: [Catalyst] how do you distribute a catalyst app
From: Stuart Watt Why would you do that? If the module you're installing fails its tests, you should file a bug report. What kind of error? IME you shouldn't ever want to or need to force install a module. This should be a *colossal* red flag to you. ... /joel It is very possible that the tests fail because the tests are wrong, not the module. I use a Perl that does not have fork emulation on Windows, partly for performance. Many tests assume fork, even where the modules they are testing do not depend on it. Yes, these modules should be reported, but you don't need to wait for a new release, nor is the module necessarily compromised. Authors cannot always test on a wide range of platforms. I find a good few modules fail tests for system/platform reasons rather than because of bugs in the code. Modules I know fail on Windows without fork but generally don't care include: DBD::mysql, Test::NoWarnings, WWW::Mechanize, HTTP::Server::Simple, Cache::Cache, and DBD::SQLite. Most of these have tests that assume fork. Some get caught by file system differences and permissions differences. You might have a wider concern if you are using a standard build (if such a thing exists) but it is at least sometimes justifiable to look through the tests that fail and make a judgment call. --S -- Stuart Watt ARM Product Developer Information Balance Hi, Sometimes I see that I can't install some perl modules, but then I found a ppm package that can be installed, and that module has the same version as the ones I couldn't install using the cpan shell. So probably the tests are done wrong. Some tests (like the one for DBD::SQLite) also crash the perl interpreter, not only that the tests don't succeed. And as you said, most of the tests use fork and then I know why they are not working under Windows. If we need to deploy a Catalyst app under Linux, is not so hard to install modules from CPAN using the cpan shell, but it might be very hard to install some modules under Windows, so it would be very good if we could use local::lib to pre-install the necessary modules. And regarding my question, in local::lib's POD, I read that: From the shell - perl -MCPAN -Mlocal::lib=my_lwp -e 'CPAN::install(LWP)' Where in this command line can I add the force parameter, or is there another way of installing perl modules in the local directory? And, another question: Can we deploy an app that uses local::lib without having shell access but only ftp access if local::lib is not installed? (It would be interesting to know, although I never needed it until now.) Thanks. Octavian ___ List: Catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk Listinfo: http://lists.scsys.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/
Re: [Catalyst] how do you distribute a catalyst app
On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 10:33:26PM +0300, Octavian Râşniţă wrote: When using this syntax, where can I specify the local path where I want to install the Some::Module? You never do that with local::lib. It sets up the env variables for you (PERL_MM_OPT and MODULEBUILDRC) -- CPAN.pm doesn't know anything about it. hdp. ___ List: Catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk Listinfo: http://lists.scsys.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/
