[cayugabirds-l] K-M shorebird walk, meet MNWR VC 7am Saturday

2015-08-28 Thread Dave Nutter
I don't know what shorebirds will be there. I do know migration is happening. I 
don't know the leader. I do know it's a great opportunity to get out on the 
dikes at Knox-Marsellus and see cool birds. Meet at the Montezuma NWR visitor 
center at 7am, and presumably at the East Road overlook around 7:15.

--Dave Nutter
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Re: [cayugabirds-l] K-M shorebird walk, meet MNWR VC 7am Saturday

2015-08-28 Thread Peter
Thanks Dave!
Two questions.
Dave when you get the opportunity, could you address the issue with your 
posts on the listserve. They always show up as unintelligible 
computereeze  and it's very frustrating because I'd really love to 
hear what you have to say. PLEASE don't take this as a put-down. You 
have LOTS to offer and I'd like to be able to see what you're saying
Thanks for considering AND understanding.
Secondly, is there anyone out there who could point me to a person who 
could come to speak to our northern Finger Lakes birding group (Eaton 
Birding Society)(meetings are in Geneva, N.Y.)  about the effects of 
climate change on bird migration?
Thanks
Pete Saracino Ed.D.

On 8/28/2015 4:51 AM, Dave Nutter wrote:
 I don't know what shorebirds will be there. I do know migration is 
 happening. I don't know the leader. I do know it's a great opportunity 
 to get out on the dikes at Knox-Marsellus and see cool birds. Meet at 
 the Montezuma NWR visitor center at 7am, and presumably at the East 
 Road overlook around 7:15.
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Re: [cayugabirds-l] K-M shorebird walk, meet MNWR VC 7am Saturday

2015-08-28 Thread Peter

Dear folks:

Perhaps there is a misunderstanding due to the word(s) I used in my 
previous email.
When I go online to the American Birding Association site and choose the 
Birdingnews tab it populates a list of clubs around the country.
From that list I choose the New York Cayuga entry and it populates, 
by date, posts that folks have made.
Whenever I try to choose Dave's post it doesn't show any post one can 
read.all that it shows is a whole bunch of unintelligible 
technical-looking words (hence my use of the word computereeze.
And I am not alone in this problem...a number of others have told me 
they are in the same predicament.
I'm sure it is nothing Dave is doing on purpose...perhaps there 
is some glitch with his posts. I do not experience this problem with any 
other posts on the site other than Dave's.
I hope that clarifies the issue for all, and apologize if I caused 
confusion among the ranks of my fellow birders.

Pete Saracino



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[cayugabirds-l] Salt Point

2015-08-28 Thread Rebecca Hansen
Two highlights of Salt Point this morning were a Blue-Gray Gnatcatcher and  a 
Wilson's Warbler.

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[cayugabirds-l] OT: computereeze messages from me

2015-08-28 Thread Dave Nutter
To Pete,
To the few (I hope) others who receive my CayugaBirds postings garbled,
To anyone who knows someone in that situation and is willing to forward this 
info to them, and
To anyone who understands and/or is willing to fix the problem:

I have heard before that a few people in some situations only get garble from 
me via CayugaBirds-L. Others obviously are able to read the messages perfectly 
well, so these people do not understand the issue.

Although I like to think of myself as a pretty good birder and writer, I am not 
a technical computer person.

I know that what I type shows up on my keyboard with only the usual number of 
typos. When I send it, it gets communicated and transformed numerous times by 
my software, then by my internet service, then by Cornell's lyris system of 
listservs, then in Pete's case by the ABA's collection of CayugaBirds-L 
postings, then by whatever internet sevice you use, by whatever device you are 
receiving it on and the software it uses. All of these were designed by good 
but flawed people working for good but flawed companies who sort of care about 
you and me in a general way, but not specifically enough to have solved this 
problem yet. Or maybe they deliberately created the problem because it made 
something else more convenient, because it doesn't affect enough people who 
make enough noise yet.

The system works for most people, and what I receive looks as good to me as 
when I sent it out. Yet something deep on my end of the chain is incompatible 
with something deep on your end if it doesn't work for you. It doesn't seem to 
be a Cornell problem necessarily. Rather it seems to be how somebody else is 
handling messages from Cornell and getting them to you.

Is it possible that I could change something and make it better for you? 
Probably, since other people are able to send messages which don't arrive to 
you garbled. However, I have neither the expertise to diagnose the problem, nor 
the money to buy new stuff, nor the desire to change an email and 
record-keeping system that mostly works for me. Sorry. Of course you can wait 
hopefully until my system irrevocably crashes or is made incompatible with the 
rest of the world I care about. Then I will have to buy something new, which 
may or may not work better.

Would Cornell be able to figure out and solve the problem? Doubtless they have 
experts, but their service mostly works for their actual subscribers (which 
seems not to directly include you), so they may not be interested, but one 
could ask. You could start with the CayugaBirds-L manager Chris Tessaglia-Hymes 
(cth4 at cornell dot edu) and see what he says or who he connects you with. For 
a head start I copied this email to him.

Maybe the ABA folks should be asked what they are doing to my posts. It seems 
pretty irresponsible of them to garble or delete my messages while claiming 
they are providing a record.

Perhaps you could try something other than the ABA's service. For instance, 
at the bottom of every CayugaBirds-L post there is a link to ARCHIVES. Choice 
#1 works for me, but of course that proves nothing because I never had a 
problem reading my posts. Anyway how about looking here:

http://www.mail-archive.com/cayugabirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html

I hope this direct email to you works, and I hope to see you tomorrow at 
Knox-Marsellus.

--Dave Nutter


On Aug 28, 2015, at 04:15 PM, Asher Hockett veery...@gmail.com wrote:

 I looked at the ABA posts taken from CayugaBirds. Dave Nutter's show header 
 information and the content appears to be lacking. I doubt this has anything 
 to do with his posting, but rather something which happens when ABA lifts the 
 CB data.

 On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 10:11 AM, Peter psara...@rochester.rr.com wrote:

 Dear folks:

 Perhaps there is a misunderstanding due to the word(s) I used in my 
 previous email.
 When I go online to the American Birding Association site and choose the 
 Birdingnews tab it populates a list of clubs around the country.
 From that list I choose the New York Cayuga entry and it populates, by 
 date, posts that folks have made.
 Whenever I try to choose Dave's post it doesn't show any post one can 
 read.all that it shows is a whole bunch of unintelligible 
 technical-looking words (hence my use of the word computereeze.
 And I am not alone in this problem...a number of others have told me 
 they are in the same predicament.
 I'm sure it is nothing Dave is doing on purpose...perhaps there 
 is some glitch with his posts. I do not experience this problem with any 
 other posts on the site other than Dave's.
 I hope that clarifies the issue for all, and apologize if I caused 
 confusion among the ranks of my fellow birders.
 Pete Saracino



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Re: [cayugabirds-l] K-M shorebird walk, meet MNWR VC 7am Saturday

2015-08-28 Thread Suan Hsi Yong
The other two archive links in the list's email signature...

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2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/Cayugabirds
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... both seem to show Dave's emails fine, which suggests it's an ABA issue,
so I'd ask them to resolve it. Meanwhile, you can use one of the other two
links.

PS. link #3 above is now stale and should be updated :-D.

Suan

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Re: [cayugabirds-l] K-M shorebird walk, meet MNWR VC 7am Saturday

2015-08-28 Thread Asher Hockett
I looked at the ABA posts taken from CayugaBirds. Dave Nutter's show header
information and the content appears to be lacking. I doubt this has
anything to do with his posting, but rather something which happens when
ABA lifts the CB data.

On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 10:11 AM, Peter psara...@rochester.rr.com wrote:

 Dear folks:

 Perhaps there is a misunderstanding due to the word(s) I used in my
 previous email.
 When I go online to the American Birding Association site and choose the
 Birdingnews tab it populates a list of clubs around the country.
 From that list I choose the New York Cayuga entry and it populates, by
 date, posts that folks have made.
 Whenever I try to choose Dave's post it doesn't show any post one can
 read.all that it shows is a whole bunch of unintelligible
 technical-looking words (hence my use of the word computereeze.
 And I am not alone in this problem...a number of others have told me
 they are in the same predicament.
 I'm sure it is nothing Dave is doing on purpose...perhaps there is
 some glitch with his posts. I do not experience this problem with any other
 posts on the site other than Dave's.
 I hope that clarifies the issue for all, and apologize if I caused
 confusion among the ranks of my fellow birders.
 Pete Saracino



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Re: [cayugabirds-l] OT: computereeze messages from me

2015-08-28 Thread Peter
Thanks for the reply Dave.
Very much appreciated.
As I said in my post, I know no one is doing anything on purpose.
And to further aggravate the situation, when someone who IS able to read 
your posts places a reply to them, I can THEN read your initial post in 
the other person's reply???!!!???
Go figure (smile)
Anyway, as I also said, a number of others have voiced the same issue 
but, from the sounds of it, it seems to difficult a task to even 
troubleshoot the cause of the issue so I am content to leave it as it is.
Again thanks for your response and I look forward to birding with you in 
the days, months and years to come.
You are a very valuable asset to we birders of the Finger Lakes Regions, 
and I appreciate your presence in our midst.
Be well Dave.
Pete

On 8/28/2015 7:27 PM, Dave Nutter wrote:
 To Pete,
 To the few (I hope) others who receive my CayugaBirds postings garbled,
 To anyone who knows someone in that situation and is willing to 
 forward this info to them, and
 To anyone who understands and/or is willing to fix the problem:

 I have heard before that a few people in some situations only get 
 garble from me via CayugaBirds-L. Others obviously are able to read 
 the messages perfectly well, so these people do not understand the issue.

 Although I like to think of myself as a pretty good birder and writer, 
 I am not a technical computer person.

 I know that what I type shows up on my keyboard with only the usual 
 number of typos. When I send it, it gets communicated and transformed 
 numerous times by my software, then by my internet service, then by 
 Cornell's lyris system of listservs, then in Pete's case by the 
 ABA's collection of CayugaBirds-L postings, then by whatever internet 
 sevice you use, by whatever device you are receiving it on and the 
 software it uses. All of these were designed by good but flawed people 
 working for good but flawed companies who sort of care about you and 
 me in a general way, but not specifically enough to have solved this 
 problem yet. Or maybe they deliberately created the problem because it 
 made something else more convenient, because it doesn't affect enough 
 people who make enough noise yet.

 The system works for most people, and what I receive looks as good to 
 me as when I sent it out. Yet something deep on my end of the chain is 
 incompatible with something deep on your end if it doesn't work for 
 you. It doesn't seem to be a Cornell problem necessarily. Rather it 
 seems to be how somebody else is handling messages from Cornell and 
 getting them to you.

 Is it possible that I could change something and make it better for 
 you? Probably, since other people are able to send messages which 
 don't arrive to you garbled. However, I have neither the expertise to 
 diagnose the problem, nor the money to buy new stuff, nor the desire 
 to change an email and record-keeping system that mostly works for me. 
 Sorry. Of course you can wait hopefully until my system irrevocably 
 crashes or is made incompatible with the rest of the world I care 
 about. Then I will have to buy something new, which may or may not 
 work better.

 Would Cornell be able to figure out and solve the problem? Doubtless 
 they have experts, but their service mostly works for their actual 
 subscribers (which seems not to directly include you), so they may not 
 be interested, but one could ask. You could start with the 
 CayugaBirds-L manager Chris Tessaglia-Hymes (cth4 at cornell dot edu) 
 and see what he says or who he connects you with. For a head start I 
 copied this email to him.

 Maybe the ABA folks should be asked what they are doing to my posts. 
 It seems pretty irresponsible of them to garble or delete my messages 
 while claiming they are providing a record.

 Perhaps you could try something other than the ABA's service. For 
 instance, at the bottom of every CayugaBirds-L post there is a link to 
 ARCHIVES. Choice #1 works for me, but of course that proves nothing 
 because I never had a problem reading my posts. Anyway how about 
 looking here:
 http://www.mail-archive.com/cayugabirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html

 I hope this direct email to you works, and I hope to see you tomorrow at 
 Knox-Marsellus.

 --Dave Nutter

 On Aug 28, 2015, at 04:15 PM, Asher Hockett veery...@gmail.com wrote:

 I looked at the ABA posts taken from CayugaBirds. Dave Nutter's show 
 header information and the content appears to be lacking. I doubt 
 this has anything to do with his posting, but rather something which 
 happens when ABA lifts the CB data.

 On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 10:11 AM, Peter psara...@rochester.rr.com 
 mailto:psara...@rochester.rr.com wrote:

 Dear folks:

 Perhaps there is a misunderstanding due to the word(s) I used in
 my previous email.
 When I go online to the American Birding Association site and
 choose the Birdingnews tab it populates a list of clubs around
 the country.
 From that list I