[cayugabirds-l] Sapsucker Woods Common Redpolls

2013-01-04 Thread Brad Walker
Hi all,

A flock of 30 COMMON REDPOLLS was flying around and landing in trees at the
extreme south end of Sapsucker Woods, near Sanctuary Drive. The birds
eventually
flew off over the neighborhood to the west.


- Brad

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[cayugabirds-l] to reduce double-counting in future counts

2013-01-04 Thread nutter.dave
Observers should note the time and direction of flyovers, so that duplicate observations of the same bird(s) can be deleted. Instructions should be explicit as to when this rule applies. This suggestion is from John Gregoire, who used it on other counts. --Dave Nutter
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RE: [cayugabirds-l] to reduce double-counting in future counts

2013-01-04 Thread Kevin J. McGowan
Ok, if you can predict the species that will be migrating on count day, we'll 
do it.  ;^)


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[cayugabirds-l] REDPOLLS Finally

2013-01-04 Thread Barbara B. Eden
Large Flock at my feeders 
North Sunset Dr. Ithaca
So  glad I am home today!!
~Barbara 
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RE:[cayugabirds-l] REDPOLLS Finally

2013-01-04 Thread Kim Haines-Eitzen
My first Redpolls arrived at my feeders today, too!Within a few minutes, 
however, a sharp-shinned hawk swooped in and chased them all away.
Kim
Brooktondale

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Large Flock at my feeders
North Sunset Dr. Ithaca
So  glad I am home today!!
~Barbara
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Re:[cayugabirds-l] Swan count for CBC

2013-01-04 Thread Bill Evans
Last night I made of a Google map of the swan flock information reported to the 
listserv. I updated the trajectories and markers this morning adding some 
deductive/speculative text.
Cayuga Bird Club 2013 CBC Swan flock map (click markers to read text – if you 
have a Google acct and log in you can add information to the map)

The evidence suggests some flocks were double and even triple counted, but as 
Ken pointed out there are still some things that don’t add up. Two pieces of 
information that would help complete the picture would be more description on 
the location and trajectory of the flock of 21 (@ ~2:45pm) seen by Marty’s 
group. I don’t have that flock on the map and it doesn’t seem like it could 
have been the same flock of 19 I had at 2:15 or Ken had at 2PM, which were 
plausibly the same flock. Also, any swan flock information from section V 
(Sandy’s section) would be useful in determining whether the 40 seen there were 
unique flocks or flocks that had already been counted.

Anyone else who saw swan flocks on January 1st, please have a look at the map 
and see if your information matches or suggests additional unique flocks.

As of now there is a fairly solid case for a minimum of 163 southbound swans on 
count day. This presumes that swan flocks that exited the city of Ithaca in 
southbound flight didn’t return.

Bill E 
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[cayugabirds-l] SNOW BUNTINGS

2013-01-04 Thread John and Fritzie Blizzard
Union Springs: 5 SNOW BUNTINGS feeding 
along our driveway where grass is uncovered.

REDPOLLS now out-number house sparrows  gold finches here at the house 
feeders. I assume it's the other way around up on the hill at the tree feeders. 
Not complaining. Niger  sunflower seed is disappearing rapidly.
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Re: Re:[cayugabirds-l] Swan count for CBC

2013-01-04 Thread Bill Evans
Last night I made of a Google map of the swan flock information reported to the 
listserv. I updated the trajectories and markers this morning adding some 
deductive/speculative text.

Cayuga Bird Club 2013 CBC Swan flock map (click markers to read text – if you 
have a Google acct and log in you can add information to the map)

The evidence suggests some flocks were double and even triple counted, but as 
Ken pointed out there are still some things that don’t add up. Two pieces of 
information that would help complete the picture would be more description on 
the location and trajectory of the flock of 21 (@ ~2:45pm) seen by Marty’s 
group. I don’t have that flock on the map and it doesn’t seem like it could 
have been the same flock of 19 I had at 2:15 or Ken had at 2PM, which were 
plausibly the same flock.  Also, any swan flock information from section V 
(Sandy’s section) would be useful in determining whether the 40 seen there were 
unique flocks or flocks that had already been counted.

Anyone else who saw swan flocks on January 1st, please have a look at the map 
and see if your information matches or suggests additional unique flocks.

As of now there is fairly solid case  for a minimum of 163 southbound swans on 
count day. This presumes that swan flocks that exited the city of Ithaca in 
southbound flight didn’t return.

Bill E 
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RE: [cayugabirds-l] Swan count for CBC

2013-01-04 Thread Jody W Enck
This discussion has been interesting to “watch” as it has unfolded.  I 
certainly understand the desire folks have to make the counts as accurate as 
possible.  Still, I wonder how all this adjusting of the numbers after-the-fact 
for just one species, and for just one year, influences the utility of the data 
for comparative purposes from year to year.  Given the year-to-year variability 
of the weather and its uncertain influence on both long-distance migration 
(e.g., of swans) and local movements (from and to feeders), I wonder if it 
simply makes the most sense to keep doing things the way they always have been 
done -- recognizing and even accepting that various species will be more or 
less likely to be affected in any given year with respect to whether they are 
double or triple counted, or undercounted.

If the purpose of the count (at least one of the major purposes) is to be able 
to examine long-term trends, then it seems that consistency of methodology from 
year-to-year should trump our noble attempts to improve within-year accuracy.

How far do Chickadees and other feeder birds move around on cold, blustery days 
like we had on January 1st?  The 6 feeder watchers in my neighborhood probably 
all had the same individual birds visit their feeders.  Seems rather endless to 
try to figure out how to deal with all the uncertainty in the data collection.  
I know the inquisitive scientist within me loves the challenge of trying to 
reduce that uncertainty, but a reduction in this kind of uncertainty probably 
will not enhance the utility of the data for its intended purpose.  Besides, 
the discoverer within me loves being out in horrible conditions just seeing 
what I can find, recognize, and learn.  I suppose it’s probably the same - to a 
lesser or greater degree- for everyone who looked for birds on the First.

Have fun,
Jody

Jody W. Enck, PhD
Human Dimensions of Natural Resources
Cornell Lab of Ornithology

From: Bill Evans
Sent: ‎January‎ ‎4‎, ‎2013 ‎10‎:‎05‎ ‎AM
To: CAYUGABIRDS-L
Subject: Re:[cayugabirds-l] Swan count for CBC

Last night I made of a Google map of the swan flock information reported to the 
listserv. I updated the trajectories and markers this morning adding some 
deductive/speculative text.
Cayuga Bird Club 2013 CBC Swan flock 
maphttp://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UTFmsa=0msid=208086491899212349523.0004d26dc6966e4c7c382
 (click markers to read text – if you have a Google acct and log in you can add 
information to the map)

The evidence suggests some flocks were double and even triple counted, but as 
Ken pointed out there are still some things that don’t add up. Two pieces of 
information that would help complete the picture would be more description on 
the location and trajectory of the flock of 21 (@ ~2:45pm) seen by Marty’s 
group. I don’t have that flock on the map and it doesn’t seem like it could 
have been the same flock of 19 I had at 2:15 or Ken had at 2PM, which were 
plausibly the same flock. Also, any swan flock information from section V 
(Sandy’s section) would be useful in determining whether the 40 seen there were 
unique flocks or flocks that had already been counted.

Anyone else who saw swan flocks on January 1st, please have a look at the map 
and see if your information matches or suggests additional unique flocks.

As of now there is a fairly solid case for a minimum of 163 southbound swans on 
count day. This presumes that swan flocks that exited the city of Ithaca in 
southbound flight didn’t return.

Bill E
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[cayugabirds-l] Snow Buntings and Longspur

2013-01-04 Thread Anne Marie Johnson
Tim found a flock of SNOW BUNTINGS on Central Chapel Road just south of the 
intersection with 76 Road in Caroline. I went back with binoculars and 
found one LAPLAND LONGSPUR  in the flock of about 40 Snow buntings. The 
flock is actively foraging on the side of the road.


Anne Marie Johnson
Caroline


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Re: [cayugabirds-l] Swan count for CBC

2013-01-04 Thread Asher Hockett
Thanks, Jody, for a really excellent post!

Birds have a bad habit of flying! This leads to their having a propensity
for being in two or more places nearly at once. Behind the old NCR building
on 96B, we flushed a Red-tail. A few minutes later we saw another gliding
overhead in the opposite direction. A few minutes after that there was one
flying back and forth over the trees to the south. We surmised it was the
same bird and only counted/reported the one.

In the same spot, at one end of the parking lot we observed 2 Yellow-rumps.
Later, a hundred yards to the north, we observed another. I may
(likely) have been one of the first two, but I thought it looked like a
third and counted it that way. All 3 responded to the chickadee/screech owl
mobbing call recording, so certainly there is a good chance that one of the
earlier Y-rs flew to the new area to see what was going on.

The counters ultimately make choices about how many of what they are
seeing, and the factors which dictate these choices seem to me to be as
variable (and ephemeral) as those which determine which flock of Tundras
was seen and how many times.

And since some of those swans were counted in area VI, why wouldn't I, as
area coordinator, want to have them in the sector total? I mean, it kind of
beats sitting there at the lab during the compilation and saying NONE to
every other species enumerated! Yes, I know that NONE is totally valid
data, but still, we are not machines, we are human beings. (and we want
birds!)
Asher
On Fri, Jan 4, 2013 at 11:37 AM, Jody W Enck j...@cornell.edu wrote:

  This discussion has been interesting to “watch” as it has unfolded.  I
 certainly understand the desire folks have to make the counts as accurate
 as possible.  Still, I wonder how all this adjusting of the numbers
 after-the-fact for just one species, and for just one year, influences the
 utility of the data for comparative purposes from year to year.  Given the
 year-to-year variability of the weather and its uncertain influence on both
 long-distance migration (e.g., of swans) and local movements (from and to
 feeders), I wonder if it simply makes the most sense to keep doing things
 the way they always have been done -- recognizing and even accepting that
 various species will be more or less likely to be affected in any given
 year with respect to whether they are double or triple counted, or
 undercounted.

 If the purpose of the count (at least one of the major purposes) is to be
 able to examine long-term trends, then it seems that consistency of
 methodology from year-to-year should trump our noble attempts to improve
 within-year accuracy.

 How far do Chickadees and other feeder birds move around on cold, blustery
 days like we had on January 1st?  The 6 feeder watchers in my neighborhood
 probably all had the same individual birds visit their feeders.  Seems
 rather endless to try to figure out how to deal with all the uncertainty in
 the data collection.  I know the inquisitive scientist within me loves the
 challenge of trying to reduce that uncertainty, but a reduction in this
 kind of uncertainty probably will not enhance the utility of the data for
 its intended purpose.  Besides, the discoverer within me loves being out in
 horrible conditions just seeing what I can find, recognize, and learn.  I
 suppose it’s probably the same - to a lesser or greater degree- for
 everyone who looked for birds on the First.

 Have fun,
 Jody

 Jody W. Enck, PhD
 Human Dimensions of Natural Resources
 Cornell Lab of Ornithology

  *From:* Bill Evans
 *Sent:* January 4, 2013 10:05 AM
 *To:* CAYUGABIRDS-L
 *Subject:* Re:[cayugabirds-l] Swan count for CBC

   Last night I made of a Google map of the swan flock information
 reported to the listserv. I updated the trajectories and markers this
 morning adding some deductive/speculative text.
  Cayuga Bird Club 2013 CBC Swan flock 
 maphttp://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UTFmsa=0msid=208086491899212349523.0004d26dc6966e4c7c382(click
  markers to read text – if you have a Google acct and log in you can
 add information to the map)

  The evidence suggests some flocks were double and even triple counted,
 but as Ken pointed out there are still some things that don’t add up. Two
 pieces of information that would help complete the picture would be more
 description on the location and trajectory of the flock of 21 (@ ~2:45pm)
 seen by Marty’s group. I don’t have that flock on the map and it doesn’t
 seem like it could have been the same flock of 19 I had at 2:15 or Ken had
 at 2PM, which were plausibly the same flock. Also, any swan flock
 information from section V (Sandy’s section) would be useful in determining
 whether the 40 seen there were unique flocks or flocks that had already
 been counted.

  Anyone else who saw swan flocks on January 1st, please have a look at
 the map and see if your information matches or suggests additional unique
 flocks.

  As of now there is a fairly solid case for a minimum of 

[cayugabirds-l] Red-necked grebe

2013-01-04 Thread Ann Mitchell
Stewart Park west side near pile cluster.

Ann Mitchell
Sent from my IPhone

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Re: [cayugabirds-l] Swan count for CBC

2013-01-04 Thread Bill Evans
Jody,

The concept of avoiding double counting is implied in the nature of the CBC, 
and there is a spectrum in the level of attentiveness in avoiding double 
counting for different species, different locations, and by different birding 
parties. The key idea amidst all the variables, as you note, is maintaining the 
utility of the data for long-term interpretation of changes, and this involves 
consistency of monitoring (even if it is rough around the edges). Of course 
there is no realistic means for preventing double-counting of chickadees in a 
neighborhood with multiple feeders, but every year there is a concerted effort 
not to double count waterfowl at Stewart Park -- the highest tallies are 
typically taken instead of adding each observer’s sightings, or as I recall, 
one person is designated to count geese, gulls etc. on the lake.

Swans have only been documented on (I believe) 6 Ithaca CBCs in the past 100+ 
years, all in the last two decades. Whatever count total is used, this year is 
our record high count. I don’t recall any years like this one when we had 
multiple flocks in passage, so the previous count totals were likely highly 
accurate and not subject to being double-counted.  However, the evidence 
suggests that a section-added count of ~400 is a 100% overestimate. Using the 
section-added total would likely be a gross deviation from the status quo with 
regard to the accuracy of past swan counts on our CBC. Like the coordinated 
effort at Stewart Park to prevent multiple waterfowl counts, the swan tally 
could be corrected with a bit of coordination in observations this year and 
foresight in future years (i.e., noting flock size, location, trajectory, and 
time).

So, while I generally agree with the importance of maintaining the status quo 
in counting procedures, I don’t agree with projecting the status quo of a 
section-added count (i.e., for chickadees) on swans.

Asher, section counts would not be denied their birds. As one can see from the 
map, section counts in fact help ascertain the accuracy of the migration tally.

Bill E

The evidence suggests some flocks were double and even triple counted, but as 
Ken pointed out there are still some things that don’t add up. Two pieces of 
information that would he
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[cayugabirds-l] NORTHERN SHRIKE east of end of Cherry Rd, Lansing,...

2013-01-04 Thread 6072292158
NORTHERN SHRIKE east of end of Cherry Rd, Lansing,  atop tree behind Equine 
Drug Testing building 323pm.
--Dave Nutter

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[cayugabirds-l] Bald Eagle Pair in Danby

2013-01-04 Thread Dan Kathy C
Early this afternoon I saw a pair of mature Bald Eagles sitting in the tree
tops close to the Comfort Road entrance to Upper Buttermilk Park.  

 

Kathy Clements

Danby


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[cayugabirds-l] Snow Buntings; Northern Harrier

2013-01-04 Thread Bill Mcaneny
Just at sundown today, there were 3 Snow Buntings and 4 Horned Larks on the
grassy shoulder of Cayuga View Rd east of Trumansburg.  I often see some
there. Also, there was a male N.Harrier cruising the cornfield and it came
to rest on the corn stubble. Him I don't see often,  Or ever.
 
Yesterday, Shirley saw 2 E. Bluebirds in a euonymus bush in front of our
house.  Later, I saw one bluebird there as it flew in with 3 Juncos for
traveling companions.
 
We have 3 tube feeders for Niger seed.  The flock empties them in a day.
The flock consists of about 40 Goldfinches, 8 C.Redpolls, and a few Pine
Siskins.  A number of Tree Sparrows, Juncos, and Cardinals hang out beneath
the tubes and salvage the spill-over.  We saw fewer birds than that in our
sector for the Christmas Count.  Alas, we are not in the count circle.
Didn't see any swans either.
 
Bill and Shirley McAneny,  TBurg
 
 
 
 

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[cayugabirds-l] Martin Road Seneca Falls and Lower Lake Road, NW Cayuga Lake

2013-01-04 Thread david nicosia
Went birding today with Dan Watkins, Jon Weeks and Rich Youket.
Our goal birds were the TOWNSEND'S SOLITAIRE at Sampson State Park
and PINE GROSBEAKS all the way up at Webster Park along Lake Ontario.
Unfortunately we dipped on both!! Plus the winds were so strong on Lake Ontario
that we didn't see anything of note up there. Fortunately, the winds died down
markedly inland which is typically the case. 

So we headed back and decided to go to Lower Lake Road NW Cayuga Lake.
On the way, we drove along Martin Road by the Lott Farm and we saw a nice 
flock of HORNED LARKS. We counted 18. Many were close to the road 
with great views. Then Jon spotted a mound in the field fairly distant. We 
weren't 
sure it was a bird until it moved its head. In the scope, it was an
obvious SHORT-EARED OWL. I got some distant digi-scoped images...

http://www.flickr.com/photos/davenicosia/8346860899/in/photostream


http://www.flickr.com/photos/davenicosia/8346861149/in/photostream/


http://www.flickr.com/photos/davenicosia/8346861247/in/photostream/


This was around 310-315 pm. So we still managed sometime at Lower Lake Road
on the northwest side of Cayuga Lake before sunset. It was very active. 
There was a lot of ice near the shore but at the edge and beyond there
was a nice concentration of TUNDRA SWANS and waterfowl. We estimated about
500  TUNDRA SWANS as they seemed everywhere. There were also many 
COMMON MERGANSERS, a couple RED-BREASTED MERGANSERS, several 
distant HOODED MERGANSERS,  many COMMON GOLDENEYES, 2 AMERICAN 
COOTS, many GADWALL, a few BUFFLEHEAD, 1 RING-NECKED DUCK, many 
many BLACK DUCKS and MALLARDS, and a couple flocks of SCAUP sp flying. 
There were also 2 immature BALD EAGLES on the ice and a RED FOX who 
scampered way out on the ice but did not attack any birds that we saw. 
We also had all the 3 common gull species. Gone are the thousands of
SNOW GEESE that I had here over a month ago. We saw no SNOW GEESE
but there were still many many CANADA GEESE which is expected. 

Overall we totaled 48 species with 26 species at Lower Lake Road alone. 

Dave Nicosia 
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Re: [cayugabirds-l] REDPOLLS Finally

2013-01-04 Thread Therese O'Connor
Yesterday we had 4 C. Redpolls at our feeders in downtown Newfield; had
only one redpoll a couple of weeks ago.
Therese O'Connor

On Fri, Jan 4, 2013 at 11:01 AM, Kim Haines-Eitzen kj...@cornell.eduwrote:

 My first Redpolls arrived at my feeders today, too!Within a few
 minutes, however, a sharp-shinned hawk swooped in and chased them all away.
 Kim
 Brooktondale
 
 From: bounce-72557102-32451...@list.cornell.edu [
 bounce-72557102-32451...@list.cornell.edu] on behalf of Barbara B. Eden [
 b...@cornell.edu]
 Sent: Friday, January 04, 2013 10:21 AM
 To: CAYUGABIRDS-L
 Subject: [cayugabirds-l] REDPOLLS Finally

 Large Flock at my feeders
 North Sunset Dr. Ithaca
 So  glad I am home today!!
 ~Barbara
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