RE: [cayugabirds-l] Belle School Rd - CL Basin or Not?

[Kevin J. McGowan]

I think it's important, too, to think of birding as tennis, not volleyball: on 
the line is IN, not out.

Kevin

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[mailto:bounce-118669794-3493...@list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of Carl Steckler
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Subject: Re: [cayugabirds-l] Belle School Rd - CL Basin or Not?

Considering that we accept MNWR as being "in the basin" isn't it just academic 
to be asking which side of a road the birds were? Just saying:?) Carl Steckler

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[cayugabirds-l] Glaucous Gull Van Cleef Lake Seneca Falls

[Dave K]

Glaucous Gull on Van Cleef Lake, Seneca Falls, around Noon today
https://www.flickr.com/photos/105424358@N06/16186225385   
  
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Re: [cayugabirds-l] Belle School Rd - CL Basin or Not?

[Carl Steckler]

Considering that we accept MNWR as being "in the basin" isn't it just 
academic to be asking which side of a road the birds were? Just saying:?)

Carl Steckler

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RE: [cayugabirds-l] Belle School Rd - CL Basin or Not?

[Kevin J. McGowan]

Both GRAY CATBIRD and EASTERN TOWHEE (heard only) were on the north side of the 
road yesterday anyway.

Kevin

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Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2015 9:49 AM
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Subject: Re: [cayugabirds-l] Belle School Rd - CL Basin or Not?

Sandy is correct. Without testing, it's hard to guess which way the surface 
water ought to run in that flat marshy area south of the road (which is the 
actual spillway of pro-glacial Lake Brookton and subsequent Lake Ithaca at 980' 
above present day sea level). But the test has already been performed, and the 
results are there to see: the builders of the original Ithaca and Owego RR 
ditched the right of way. The water in the the ditch runs northward, and passes 
under Belle School Road through a culvert. Its volume suggests that it drains a 
substantial area on the south side of the road - I'd guess fifty acres or more. 
The ditch along the south side of Belle School Road coming down from the west 
also drains northward through the same culvert.

-Geo Kloppel
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Re: [cayugabirds-l] Belle School Rd - CL Basin or Not?

[Geo Kloppel]

Hi Meena,

I don't think we have a prescribed rule for resolving temporary weather-induced 
diversions from the normal drainage, but in the interest of consistency their 
ephemeral nature weighs against their inclusion.

On similar grounds, I think that man-made diversions of a relatively permanent 
nature should qualify as established parts of the normal drainage.

-Geo 

On Jan 3, 2015, at 11:18 AM, Meena Madhav Haribal  wrote:

> What if water runs in both directions depending upon precipitation? It 
> happens in many locations. Famous example is of a tributary of Amazon, which 
> flows into Orinoco in general, but if the precipitation is heavy then it 
> flows into Amazon.
> Meena
> Ithaca
> 
> Geo Kloppel  wrote:
> 
> Well, collectively we're interested in _both_ the 1/1/2015 Ithaca Christmas 
> Bird Count and the Cayuga Basin First Records for 2015. For the former 
> purpose, it suffices to know that the location is within the Ithaca Christmas 
> Count circle. It's for the latter purpose that we need to know which way the 
> surface water runs. 
> 
> -Geo 
> 
> On Jan 3, 2015, at 10:42 AM, Jody W Enck  wrote:
> 
>> Hey everyone, this is a great discussion and has very much piqued my 
>> interest.  I wonder if it matters whether the drainage goes north or south 
>> (i.e., is in our out of the Cayuga Lake basin) if we are trying to figure 
>> out if the birds count for the Christmas bird count.  In this case, doesn’t 
>> it matter simply if the birds were in or out of the count circle, not if 
>> they were in or out of the basin?  Or, did I miss something (which is quite 
>> possible ��).
>> 
>> Enjoy the birds
>> Jody
>> 
>> Jody W. Enck, PhD
>> Program Development and Evaluation
>> Cornell Lab of Ornithology
>> 607-254-2471
>> 
>> From: Geo Kloppel
>> Sent: ‎Saturday‎, ‎January‎ ‎3‎, ‎2015 ‎9‎:‎50‎ ‎AM
>> To: CAYUGABIRDS-L
>> 
>> Sandy is correct. Without testing, it's hard to guess which way the surface 
>> water ought to run in that flat marshy area south of the road (which is the 
>> actual spillway of pro-glacial Lake Brookton and subsequent Lake Ithaca at 
>> 980' above present day sea level). But the test has already been performed, 
>> and the results are there to see: the builders of the original Ithaca and 
>> Owego RR ditched the right of way. The water in the the ditch runs 
>> northward, and passes under Belle School Road through a culvert. Its volume 
>> suggests that it drains a substantial area on the south side of the road - 
>> I'd guess fifty acres or more. The ditch along the south side of Belle 
>> School Road coming down from the west also drains northward through the same 
>> culvert. 
>> 
>> -Geo Kloppel
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Re: [cayugabirds-l] Belle School Rd - CL Basin or Not?

[Meena Madhav Haribal]

What if water runs in both directions depending upon precipitation? It happens 
in many locations. Famous example is of a tributary of Amazon, which flows into 
Orinoco in general, but if the precipitation is heavy then it flows into Amazon.
Meena
Ithaca

Geo Kloppel  wrote:



Well, collectively we're interested in _both_ the 1/1/2015 Ithaca Christmas 
Bird Count and the Cayuga Basin First Records for 2015. For the former purpose, 
it suffices to know that the location is within the Ithaca Christmas Count 
circle. It's for the latter purpose that we need to know which way the surface 
water runs.

-Geo

On Jan 3, 2015, at 10:42 AM, Jody W Enck 
mailto:j...@cornell.edu>> wrote:

Hey everyone, this is a great discussion and has very much piqued my interest.  
I wonder if it matters whether the drainage goes north or south (i.e., is in 
our out of the Cayuga Lake basin) if we are trying to figure out if the birds 
count for the Christmas bird count.  In this case, doesn't it matter simply if 
the birds were in or out of the count circle, not if they were in or out of the 
basin?  Or, did I miss something (which is quite possible ??).

Enjoy the birds
Jody

Jody W. Enck, PhD
Program Development and Evaluation
Cornell Lab of Ornithology
607-254-2471

From: Geo Kloppel
Sent: ?Saturday?, ?January? ?3?, ?2015 ?9?:?50? ?AM
To: CAYUGABIRDS-L

Sandy is correct. Without testing, it's hard to guess which way the surface 
water ought to run in that flat marshy area south of the road (which is the 
actual spillway of pro-glacial Lake Brookton and subsequent Lake Ithaca at 980' 
above present day sea level). But the test has already been performed, and the 
results are there to see: the builders of the original Ithaca and Owego RR 
ditched the right of way. The water in the the ditch runs northward, and passes 
under Belle School Road through a culvert. Its volume suggests that it drains a 
substantial area on the south side of the road - I'd guess fifty acres or more. 
The ditch along the south side of Belle School Road coming down from the west 
also drains northward through the same culvert.

-Geo Kloppel
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Re: [cayugabirds-l] Belle School Rd - CL Basin or Not?

[Geo Kloppel]

Well, collectively we're interested in _both_ the 1/1/2015 Ithaca Christmas 
Bird Count and the Cayuga Basin First Records for 2015. For the former purpose, 
it suffices to know that the location is within the Ithaca Christmas Count 
circle. It's for the latter purpose that we need to know which way the surface 
water runs. 

-Geo 

On Jan 3, 2015, at 10:42 AM, Jody W Enck  wrote:

> Hey everyone, this is a great discussion and has very much piqued my 
> interest.  I wonder if it matters whether the drainage goes north or south 
> (i.e., is in our out of the Cayuga Lake basin) if we are trying to figure out 
> if the birds count for the Christmas bird count.  In this case, doesn’t it 
> matter simply if the birds were in or out of the count circle, not if they 
> were in or out of the basin?  Or, did I miss something (which is quite 
> possible ��).
> 
> Enjoy the birds
> Jody
> 
> Jody W. Enck, PhD
> Program Development and Evaluation
> Cornell Lab of Ornithology
> 607-254-2471
> 
> From: Geo Kloppel
> Sent: ‎Saturday‎, ‎January‎ ‎3‎, ‎2015 ‎9‎:‎50‎ ‎AM
> To: CAYUGABIRDS-L
> 
> Sandy is correct. Without testing, it's hard to guess which way the surface 
> water ought to run in that flat marshy area south of the road (which is the 
> actual spillway of pro-glacial Lake Brookton and subsequent Lake Ithaca at 
> 980' above present day sea level). But the test has already been performed, 
> and the results are there to see: the builders of the original Ithaca and 
> Owego RR ditched the right of way. The water in the the ditch runs northward, 
> and passes under Belle School Road through a culvert. Its volume suggests 
> that it drains a substantial area on the south side of the road - I'd guess 
> fifty acres or more. The ditch along the south side of Belle School Road 
> coming down from the west also drains northward through the same culvert. 
> 
> -Geo Kloppel
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Re: [cayugabirds-l] Belle School Rd - CL Basin or Not?

[Jody W Enck]

Hey everyone, this is a great discussion and has very much piqued my interest.  
I wonder if it matters whether the drainage goes north or south (i.e., is in 
our out of the Cayuga Lake basin) if we are trying to figure out if the birds 
count for the Christmas bird count.  In this case, doesn't it matter simply if 
the birds were in or out of the count circle, not if they were in or out of the 
basin?  Or, did I miss something (which is quite possible ?).

Enjoy the birds
Jody

Jody W. Enck, PhD
Program Development and Evaluation
Cornell Lab of Ornithology
607-254-2471

From: Geo Kloppel
Sent: ?Saturday?, ?January? ?3?, ?2015 ?9?:?50? ?AM
To: CAYUGABIRDS-L

Sandy is correct. Without testing, it's hard to guess which way the surface 
water ought to run in that flat marshy area south of the road (which is the 
actual spillway of pro-glacial Lake Brookton and subsequent Lake Ithaca at 980' 
above present day sea level). But the test has already been performed, and the 
results are there to see: the builders of the original Ithaca and Owego RR 
ditched the right of way. The water in the the ditch runs northward, and passes 
under Belle School Road through a culvert. Its volume suggests that it drains a 
substantial area on the south side of the road - I'd guess fifty acres or more. 
The ditch along the south side of Belle School Road coming down from the west 
also drains northward through the same culvert.

-Geo Kloppel
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Re: [cayugabirds-l] Belle School Rd - CL Basin or Not?

[Geo Kloppel]

Sandy is correct. Without testing, it's hard to guess which way the surface
water ought to run in that flat marshy area south of the road (which is the
actual spillway of pro-glacial Lake Brookton and subsequent Lake Ithaca at
980' above present day sea level). But the test has already been performed,
and the results are there to see: the builders of the original Ithaca and
Owego RR ditched the right of way. The water in the the ditch runs
northward, and passes under Belle School Road through a culvert. Its volume
suggests that it drains a substantial area on the south side of the road -
I'd guess fifty acres or more. The ditch along the south side of Belle
School Road coming down from the west also drains northward through the
same culvert.

-Geo Kloppel

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[cayugabirds-l] Gynandromorphic cardinal story

[Meena Madhav Haribal]

?

http://news.sciencemag.org/biology/2014/12/half-male-half-female-bird-has-rough-life

[http://news.sciencemag.org/sites/default/files/sn-cardinal.jpg]

Half-male, half-female bird has a rough life | Science/AAAS | News
Odd-looking northern cardinal doesn't mate or sing
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