RE: [cayugabirds-l] When to stop feeding hummers AND Orioles

[Marty Schlabach]

We keep our hummingbird feeder up quite late, ever since 2012 when we had a 
Rufus Hummer coming to our feeder into November.  Now  hoping that lightning 
will strike twice in the same spot and we get another one.
--Marty
Interlaken

From: bounce-121729229-3494...@list.cornell.edu 
[mailto:bounce-121729229-3494...@list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of Nicholas Kachala
Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2017 7:12 PM
To: Peter 
Cc: CAYUGABIRDS-L 
Subject: Re: [cayugabirds-l] When to stop feeding hummers AND Orioles

There have been people over the years that have left their hummingbird feeders 
up well into the Fall and have helped straggler Ruby-throated and even other 
rarity hummingbirds. Into November, it is occasional for extreme wandering of 
species, and hummingbird feeders left up can provide crucial aid for these 
off-course, usually nutrient deprived, birds.

Nick Kachala
nicholaskach@gmail

On Aug 16, 2017 9:07 AM, "Peter" 
> wrote:


Can someone suggest an appropriate time to stop feeding hummers sugar water and 
orioles jelly?
Thanks
Pete Sar



--
Cayugabirds-L List Info:
Welcome and Basics
Rules and Information
Subscribe, Configuration and 
Leave
Archives:
The Mail 
Archive
Surfbirds
BirdingOnThe.Net
Please submit your observations to eBird!
--

--
Cayugabirds-L List Info:
Welcome and Basics
Rules and Information
Subscribe, Configuration and 
Leave
Archives:
The Mail 
Archive
Surfbirds
BirdingOnThe.Net
Please submit your observations to eBird!
--

--

Cayugabirds-L List Info:
http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsWELCOME
http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsRULES
http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm

ARCHIVES:
1) http://www.mail-archive.com/cayugabirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html
2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/Cayugabirds
3) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/CAYU.html

Please submit your observations to eBird:
http://ebird.org/content/ebird/

--

Re: [cayugabirds-l] When to stop feeding hummers AND Orioles

[Nicholas Kachala]

There have been people over the years that have left their hummingbird
feeders up well into the Fall and have helped straggler Ruby-throated and
even other rarity hummingbirds. Into November, it is occasional for extreme
wandering of species, and hummingbird feeders left up can provide crucial
aid for these off-course, usually nutrient deprived, birds.

Nick Kachala
nicholaskach@gmail

On Aug 16, 2017 9:07 AM, "Peter"  wrote:


Can someone suggest an appropriate time to stop feeding hummers sugar water
and orioles jelly?
Thanks
Pete Sar



<#m_7923523267729947893_DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2>


--
*Cayugabirds-L List Info:*
Welcome and Basics 
Rules and Information 
Subscribe, Configuration and Leave

*Archives:*
The Mail Archive

Surfbirds 
BirdingOnThe.Net 
*Please submit your observations to eBird
!*
--

--

Cayugabirds-L List Info:
http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsWELCOME
http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsRULES
http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm

ARCHIVES:
1) http://www.mail-archive.com/cayugabirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html
2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/Cayugabirds
3) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/CAYU.html

Please submit your observations to eBird:
http://ebird.org/content/ebird/

--

RE: [cayugabirds-l] When to stop feeding hummers AND Orioles

[Marie P. Read]

It shouldn't be a concern for any migratory birds. At least that's true for the 
so-called "obligatory migrants". They are responding to changing light 
levels...that's what gives them the drive to migrate. A cold front followed by 
a good tail wind may be an impetus too. Feeding them won't trick them into 
staying...

Marie

Marie Read Wildlife Photography
452 Ringwood Road
Freeville NY  13068 USA

Phone  607-539-6608
e-mail   m...@cornell.edu

Website: http://www.marieread.com
Follow me on Facebook:  
https://www.facebook.com/Marie-Read-Wildlife-Photography-104356136271727/

From: Peter [psara...@rochester.rr.com]
Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2017 3:43 PM
To: Linda Orkin; Marie P. Read
Cc: CAYUGABIRDS-L
Subject: Re: [cayugabirds-l] When to stop feeding hummers AND Orioles

Yes. My concern is that I hear tell keep feeders up for both hummers and 
orioles will "trick" them into staying longer than they should.

I've been told this is not a concern for hummers. How about Orioles?
Thanks

Pete

On 8/16/2017 1:46 PM, Linda Orkin wrote:
And when all have migrated through. It is my understanding that migratory 
hummingbirds are able to find and utilize feeders as they travel.

https://www.thespruce.com/when-to-take-down-hummingbird-feeders-385959

Linda Orkin
Ithaca, NY


On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 1:26 PM, Marie P. Read 
> wrote:
After they've left on migration!
Feeding them isn't going to prevent them from migrating, if that's what you 
were worried about.

Marie

Marie Read Wildlife Photography
452 Ringwood Road
Freeville NY  13068 USA

Phone  607-539-6608
e-mail   m...@cornell.edu

Website: http://www.marieread.com
Follow me on Facebook:  
https://www.facebook.com/Marie-Read-Wildlife-Photography-104356136271727/

From: 
bounce-121727479-5851...@list.cornell.edu
 
[bounce-121727479-5851...@list.cornell.edu]
 on behalf of Peter 
[psara...@rochester.rr.com]
Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2017 9:02 AM
To: Jay McGowan; CAYUGABIRDS-L
Subject: [cayugabirds-l] When to stop feeding hummers AND Orioles

Can someone suggest an appropriate time to stop feeding hummers sugar water and 
orioles jelly?
Thanks
Pete Sar




--
Cayugabirds-L List Info:
Welcome and Basics
Rules and Information
Subscribe, Configuration and 
Leave
Archives:
The Mail 
Archive
Surfbirds
BirdingOnThe.Net
Please submit your observations to eBird!
--

--

Cayugabirds-L List Info:
http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsWELCOME
http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsRULES
http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm

ARCHIVES:
1) http://www.mail-archive.com/cayugabirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html
2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/Cayugabirds
3) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/CAYU.html

Please submit your observations to eBird:
http://ebird.org/content/ebird/

--




--
"For the sake of some little mouthful of flesh we deprive a soul of the sun and 
the light, and of that proportion of life and time it had been born into the 
world to enjoy" Plutarch

If you permit
this evil, what is the good
of the good of your life?

-Stanley Kunitz...

--
Cayugabirds-L List Info:
Welcome and Basics
Rules and Information
Subscribe, Configuration and 
Leave
Archives:
The Mail 
Archive
Surfbirds
BirdingOnThe.Net
Please submit your observations to eBird!
--

[X]
 Virus-free. 
www.avg.com


--

Cayugabirds-L List Info:
http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsWELCOME
http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsRULES
http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm

ARCHIVES:
1) http://www.mail-archive.com/cayugabirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html
2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/Cayugabirds
3) 

Re: [cayugabirds-l] FW: New post published Meeting on Connecticut Hill Wildlife Management Plan

[khmo]

Strongly second John's comments for both the Connecticut Hill plan and
for the FLNF. So often a great hue and cry is raised before we
understand the process and benefits planned. 

John 

---
John and Sue Gregoire
Field Ornithologists
Kestrel Haven Migration Observatory
5373 Fitzgerald Rd
Burdett, NY 14818
42.443508000, -76.758202000 

On 2017-08-16 17:25, John Confer wrote:

> The DEC periodically updates management plans for each forest unit. I don't 
> know the details of Connecticut Hill, but I did become involved with the 
> Hammond Hill plans. I met with DEC personnel to suggest some alterations in 
> their plans for successional habitat. On balance I strongly support them. The 
> intention is to create habitat that supports a greater diversity of wildlife. 
> In particular, for Hammond Hill State Forest there is a conscious attempt to 
> create more early succession habitat by forest cutting. The background is 
> that in New York most forest species are increasing while most successional 
> species are declining. Even so called forest species frequently use or even 
> require successional habitat for part of the annual diet. Bear fatten on 
> berries, turkey feed their poults on seeds of successional plants, tanagers 
> feed on berries, and deer browse on small woody stems as an important and 
> perhaps critical winter food. etc. Of course, early successional habitat 
> support!
 s a
variety of early successional species, but it also provides forage for deer and 
many other forest species for parts of their annual life. I offer these 
thoughts after 35 years of research on successional species. I wouldn't throw 
out the baby with the bath water on this effort. 
> 
> John Confer 
> 
> FROM: bounce-121728155-25065...@list.cornell.edu 
> [mailto:bounce-121728155-25065...@list.cornell.edu] ON BEHALF OF Dave Gislason
> SENT: Wednesday, August 16, 2017 12:11 PM
> TO: Martha Fischer ; CAYUGABIRDS-L 
> 
> SUBJECT: Re: [cayugabirds-l] FW: New post published Meeting on Connecticut 
> Hill Wildlife Management Plan 
> 
> They're just telling us about this now, but they've been working at it for a 
> couple of years at least. Living close by, I've seen 3 areas turned into YFIs 
> (one a camping area), and 3 areas of clear-cutting. There other areas with 
> the telltale Blue paint marks indicating "treatments" to come. I would say 
> that communication with the public has been quite poor so far. Only recently 
> did they construct a couple of message boards with a flyer on the Young 
> forest Initiatives -after they had cut down many trees. Maybe they've been 
> barraged with questions and/or complaints. 
> 
> On Tuesday, August 15, 2017, 9:03:46 AM EDT, Martha Fischer 
>  wrote: 
> 
> Here's an FYI... 
> 
> There's a new post at TownOfEnfield.org. Meeting on Connecticut Hill Wildlife 
> Management Plan
> Meeting on Connecticut Hill Wildlife Management Plan
> Thursday, September 14, 2017 at 6:00 p.m.
> Newfield Fire Dept., 77 Main St. Newfield, NY
> NYSDEC will host an open house to provide information on a recently finalized 
> habitat management plan for Connecticut hill Wildlife Management Area located 
> in the Towns of Catherine, Cayuta and Hector, ...
> You may view the latest post at 
> http://townofenfield.org/meeting-on-connecticut-hill-wildlife-management-plan/
>  [1]
> You received this e-mail because you asked to be notified when new updates 
> are posted.
> 
> Thank you.
> Town of Enfield
> 
> -- 
> 
> CAYUGABIRDS-L LIST INFO: 
> 
> Welcome and Basics [2] 
> 
> Rules and Information [3] 
> 
> Subscribe, Configuration and Leave [4] 
> 
> ARCHIVES: 
> 
> The Mail Archive [5] 
> 
> Surfbirds [6] 
> 
> BirdingOnThe.Net [7] 
> 
> PLEASE SUBMIT YOUR OBSERVATIONS TO EBIRD [8]! 
> 
> -- 
> 
> -- 
> 
> CAYUGABIRDS-L LIST INFO: 
> 
> Welcome and Basics [2] 
> 
> Rules and Information [3] 
> 
> Subscribe, Configuration and Leave [4] 
> 
> ARCHIVES: 
> 
> The Mail Archive [5] 
> 
> Surfbirds [6] 
> 
> BirdingOnThe.Net [7] 
> 
> PLEASE SUBMIT YOUR OBSERVATIONS TO EBIRD [8]! 
> 
> -- 
> -- 
> CAYUGABIRDS-L LIST INFO: 
> Welcome and Basics [2] 
> Rules and Information [3] 
> Subscribe, Configuration and Leave [4] 
> ARCHIVES: 
> The Mail Archive [5] 
> Surfbirds [6] 
> BirdingOnThe.Net [7] 
> PLEASE SUBMIT YOUR OBSERVATIONS TO EBIRD [8]! 
> --
 

Links:
--
[1]
http://townofenfield.org/meeting-on-connecticut-hill-wildlife-management-plan/
[2] http://www.northeastbirding.com/CayugabirdsWELCOME
[3] http://www.northeastbirding.com/CayugabirdsRULES
[4]
http://www.northeastbirding.com/CayugabirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm
[5] http://www.mail-archive.com/cayugabirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html
[6] http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/Cayugabirds
[7] http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/CAYU.html
[8] http://ebird.org/content/ebird/
--

Cayugabirds-L List Info:
http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsWELCOME

RE:[cayugabirds-l] other food for birds

[Michael O. Engle]

I let my thistles go to seed every year as well. We get lots of goldfinches 
visiting our yard to feed on them. I had not thought about the neighbors 
thinking I’m nuts…. Or seedy.

Michael
+
Michael Engle
m...@cornell.edu
Reference and Instruction Librarian
Selector, Olin/Uris Reference and Anglo-American News
106 Olin Library, Cornell University, Ithaca, NY 14853

http://vivo.library.cornell.edu/display/individual22712
http://orcid.org/-0001-7161-2619

From: bounce-121728925-3493...@list.cornell.edu 
[mailto:bounce-121728925-3493...@list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of Donna Lee Scott
Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2017 4:20 PM
To: Jody Enck ; Peter 
Cc: Linda Orkin ; Marie P. Read ; 
CAYUGABIRDS-L 
Subject: [cayugabirds-l] other food for birds

Around here I have noticed that this is a good year for fruits, nuts and berry 
production. My cedar trees are totally loaded with ripening cedar berries that 
are starting to turn blue. The Waxwings will love them. There are lots of 
apples, pears, hickory nuts, and a couple neighbors and I let thistles go to 
seed (other neighbors think we are nuts). I have not checked out the oaks for 
acorns, so don’t know how they are doing, but I think generally it is a good 
“food year”.

Donna L. Scott
535 Lansing Station Road
Lansing, NY 14882

From: 
bounce-121728891-15001...@list.cornell.edu
 [mailto:bounce-121728891-15001...@list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of Jody Enck
Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2017 4:08 PM
To: Peter >
Cc: Linda Orkin >; Marie P. 
Read >; CAYUGABIRDS-L 
>
Subject: Re: [cayugabirds-l] When to stop feeding hummers AND Orioles

Hi Pete,

Don't worry about either the Hummingbirds or the Orioles.  Food availability is 
not really a driver in migration timing for any species.  That would be quite 
maladaptive.  Other cues, including but not limited to day length, sometimes 
combined with wind direction, atmospheric pressure, tilt of the Earth (as 
evidenced by changing night sky), and other things.  I am simply trying to say 
that you should not feel guilty at all of leaving your feeders up (or taking 
them down) when it suites you.  It is wonderful that you feed them when you do, 
and I hope you feel good about that.  I plan to leave my hummingbird and oriole 
feeders up until we have a chance for a hard frost.  There is plenty of food 
out there now for nectar and fruit feeders, but some late migrants might really 
appreciate your feeders when the nights start getting frosty!

Take care
Jody

On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 3:43 PM, Peter 
> wrote:

Yes. My concern is that I hear tell keep feeders up for both hummers and 
orioles will "trick" them into staying longer than they should.

I've been told this is not a concern for hummers. How about Orioles?
Thanks

Pete

On 8/16/2017 1:46 PM, Linda Orkin wrote:
And when all have migrated through. It is my understanding that migratory 
hummingbirds are able to find and utilize feeders as they travel.

https://www.thespruce.com/when-to-take-down-hummingbird-feeders-385959
Linda Orkin
Ithaca, NY


On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 1:26 PM, Marie P. Read 
> wrote:
After they've left on migration!
Feeding them isn't going to prevent them from migrating, if that's what you 
were worried about.

Marie

Marie Read Wildlife Photography
452 Ringwood Road
Freeville NY  13068 USA

Phone  607-539-6608
e-mail   m...@cornell.edu

Website: http://www.marieread.com
Follow me on Facebook:  
https://www.facebook.com/Marie-Read-Wildlife-Photography-104356136271727/

From: 
bounce-121727479-5851...@list.cornell.edu
 
[bounce-121727479-5851...@list.cornell.edu]
 on behalf of Peter 
[psara...@rochester.rr.com]
Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2017 9:02 AM
To: Jay McGowan; CAYUGABIRDS-L
Subject: [cayugabirds-l] When to stop feeding hummers AND Orioles

Can someone suggest an appropriate time to stop feeding hummers sugar water and 
orioles jelly?
Thanks
Pete Sar




--
Cayugabirds-L List Info:
Welcome and Basics
Rules and Information
Subscribe, Configuration and 
Leave
Archives:
The Mail 
Archive

Re: [cayugabirds-l] When to stop feeding hummers AND Orioles

[Asher Hockett]

There are greater forces at play in the mechanisms which trigger migration
than the availability of food at feeders. We understand to some extent
that, on a grand scale, birds which migrate long distances are driven to do
so (or evolved to do so) by the availability and huge disparity
quantity-wise of food between their summer and winter habitats, factors
like daylight period and other environmental parameters play a huge role in
stimulating the urge to migrate.

There may be an odd bird which clings to a local food source longer than
the rest of it's species, but they are clearly in the minority and I don't
think embracing the "blame" for this is of much use. If a bird fails to
survive because it remains behind too long, this is selection at work.

"Real" scientist ornithologists can speak to this with authority - this is
just a reader's digest version from my own meager knowledge.

On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 3:43 PM, Peter  wrote:

> Yes. My concern is that I hear tell keep feeders up for both hummers and
> orioles will "trick" them into staying longer than they should.
>
> I've been told this is not a concern for hummers. How about Orioles?
> Thanks
>
> Pete
>
> On 8/16/2017 1:46 PM, Linda Orkin wrote:
>
> And when all have migrated through. It is my understanding that migratory
> hummingbirds are able to find and utilize feeders as they travel.
>
> https://www.thespruce.com/when-to-take-down-hummingbird-feeders-385959
>
> Linda Orkin
> Ithaca, NY
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 1:26 PM, Marie P. Read  wrote:
>
>> After they've left on migration!
>> Feeding them isn't going to prevent them from migrating, if that's what
>> you were worried about.
>>
>> Marie
>>
>> Marie Read Wildlife Photography
>> 452 Ringwood Road
>> Freeville NY  13068 USA
>>
>> Phone  607-539-6608
>> e-mail   m...@cornell.edu
>>
>> Website: http://www.marieread.com
>> Follow me on Facebook:  https://www.facebook.com/Marie
>> -Read-Wildlife-Photography-104356136271727/
>> 
>> From: bounce-121727479-5851...@list.cornell.edu [
>> bounce-121727479-5851...@list.cornell.edu] on behalf of Peter [
>> psara...@rochester.rr.com]
>> Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2017 9:02 AM
>> To: Jay McGowan; CAYUGABIRDS-L
>> Subject: [cayugabirds-l] When to stop feeding hummers AND Orioles
>>
>> Can someone suggest an appropriate time to stop feeding hummers sugar
>> water and orioles jelly?
>> Thanks
>> Pete Sar
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Cayugabirds-L List Info:
>> Welcome and Basics
>> Rules and Information
>> Subscribe, Configuration and Leave> ing.com/CayugabirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm>
>> Archives:
>> The Mail Archive> u/maillist.html>
>> Surfbirds
>> BirdingOnThe.Net
>> Please submit your observations to eBird> >!
>> --
>>
>> --
>>
>> Cayugabirds-L List Info:
>> http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsWELCOME
>> http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsRULES
>> http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsSubscribeConfigur
>> ationLeave.htm
>>
>> ARCHIVES:
>> 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/cayugabirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html
>> 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/Cayugabirds
>> 3) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/CAYU.html
>>
>> Please submit your observations to eBird:
>> http://ebird.org/content/ebird/
>>
>> --
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> "For the sake of some little mouthful of flesh we deprive a soul of the
> sun and the light, and of that proportion of life and time it had been born
> into the world to enjoy" Plutarch
>
> If you permit
> this evil, what is the good
> of the good of your life?
>
> -Stanley Kunitz...
>
> --
> *Cayugabirds-L List Info:*
> Welcome and Basics 
> Rules and Information 
> Subscribe, Configuration and Leave
> 
> *Archives:*
> The Mail Archive
> 
> Surfbirds 
> BirdingOnThe.Net 
> *Please submit your observations to eBird
> !*
> --
>
>
> 
>  Virus-free.
> www.avg.com
> 
>
>
> --
> *Cayugabirds-L List Info:*
> Welcome and Basics 
> Rules and Information 

[cayugabirds-l] other food for birds

[Donna Lee Scott]

Around here I have noticed that this is a good year for fruits, nuts and berry 
production. My cedar trees are totally loaded with ripening cedar berries that 
are starting to turn blue. The Waxwings will love them. There are lots of 
apples, pears, hickory nuts, and a couple neighbors and I let thistles go to 
seed (other neighbors think we are nuts). I have not checked out the oaks for 
acorns, so don’t know how they are doing, but I think generally it is a good 
“food year”.

Donna L. Scott
535 Lansing Station Road
Lansing, NY 14882

From: bounce-121728891-15001...@list.cornell.edu 
[mailto:bounce-121728891-15001...@list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of Jody Enck
Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2017 4:08 PM
To: Peter 
Cc: Linda Orkin ; Marie P. Read ; 
CAYUGABIRDS-L 
Subject: Re: [cayugabirds-l] When to stop feeding hummers AND Orioles

Hi Pete,

Don't worry about either the Hummingbirds or the Orioles.  Food availability is 
not really a driver in migration timing for any species.  That would be quite 
maladaptive.  Other cues, including but not limited to day length, sometimes 
combined with wind direction, atmospheric pressure, tilt of the Earth (as 
evidenced by changing night sky), and other things.  I am simply trying to say 
that you should not feel guilty at all of leaving your feeders up (or taking 
them down) when it suites you.  It is wonderful that you feed them when you do, 
and I hope you feel good about that.  I plan to leave my hummingbird and oriole 
feeders up until we have a chance for a hard frost.  There is plenty of food 
out there now for nectar and fruit feeders, but some late migrants might really 
appreciate your feeders when the nights start getting frosty!

Take care
Jody

On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 3:43 PM, Peter 
> wrote:

Yes. My concern is that I hear tell keep feeders up for both hummers and 
orioles will "trick" them into staying longer than they should.

I've been told this is not a concern for hummers. How about Orioles?
Thanks

Pete

On 8/16/2017 1:46 PM, Linda Orkin wrote:
And when all have migrated through. It is my understanding that migratory 
hummingbirds are able to find and utilize feeders as they travel.

https://www.thespruce.com/when-to-take-down-hummingbird-feeders-385959
Linda Orkin
Ithaca, NY


On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 1:26 PM, Marie P. Read 
> wrote:
After they've left on migration!
Feeding them isn't going to prevent them from migrating, if that's what you 
were worried about.

Marie

Marie Read Wildlife Photography
452 Ringwood Road
Freeville NY  13068 USA

Phone  607-539-6608
e-mail   m...@cornell.edu

Website: http://www.marieread.com
Follow me on Facebook:  
https://www.facebook.com/Marie-Read-Wildlife-Photography-104356136271727/

From: 
bounce-121727479-5851...@list.cornell.edu
 
[bounce-121727479-5851...@list.cornell.edu]
 on behalf of Peter 
[psara...@rochester.rr.com]
Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2017 9:02 AM
To: Jay McGowan; CAYUGABIRDS-L
Subject: [cayugabirds-l] When to stop feeding hummers AND Orioles

Can someone suggest an appropriate time to stop feeding hummers sugar water and 
orioles jelly?
Thanks
Pete Sar




--
Cayugabirds-L List Info:
Welcome and Basics
Rules and Information
Subscribe, Configuration and 
Leave
Archives:
The Mail 
Archive
Surfbirds
BirdingOnThe.Net
Please submit your observations to eBird!
--

--

Cayugabirds-L List Info:
http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsWELCOME
http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsRULES
http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm

ARCHIVES:
1) http://www.mail-archive.com/cayugabirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html
2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/Cayugabirds
3) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/CAYU.html

Please submit your observations to eBird:
http://ebird.org/content/ebird/

--



--
"For the sake of some little mouthful of flesh we deprive a soul of the sun and 
the light, and of that proportion of life and time it had been born into the 
world to enjoy" Plutarch

If you permit
this evil, what is the good
of the good of your life?

-Stanley Kunitz...
--
Cayugabirds-L List Info:
Welcome and Basics
Rules and 

Re: [cayugabirds-l] When to stop feeding hummers AND Orioles

[Jody Enck]

Hi Pete,

Don't worry about either the Hummingbirds or the Orioles.  Food
availability is not really a driver in migration timing for any species.
That would be quite maladaptive.  Other cues, including but not limited to
day length, sometimes combined with wind direction, atmospheric pressure,
tilt of the Earth (as evidenced by changing night sky), and other things.
I am simply trying to say that you should not feel guilty at all of leaving
your feeders up (or taking them down) when it suites you.  It is wonderful
that you feed them when you do, and I hope you feel good about that.  I
plan to leave my hummingbird and oriole feeders up until we have a chance
for a hard frost.  There is plenty of food out there now for nectar and
fruit feeders, but some late migrants might really appreciate your feeders
when the nights start getting frosty!

Take care
Jody

On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 3:43 PM, Peter  wrote:

> Yes. My concern is that I hear tell keep feeders up for both hummers and
> orioles will "trick" them into staying longer than they should.
>
> I've been told this is not a concern for hummers. How about Orioles?
> Thanks
>
> Pete
>
> On 8/16/2017 1:46 PM, Linda Orkin wrote:
>
> And when all have migrated through. It is my understanding that migratory
> hummingbirds are able to find and utilize feeders as they travel.
>
> https://www.thespruce.com/when-to-take-down-hummingbird-feeders-385959
>
> Linda Orkin
> Ithaca, NY
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 1:26 PM, Marie P. Read  wrote:
>
>> After they've left on migration!
>> Feeding them isn't going to prevent them from migrating, if that's what
>> you were worried about.
>>
>> Marie
>>
>> Marie Read Wildlife Photography
>> 452 Ringwood Road
>> Freeville NY  13068 USA
>>
>> Phone  607-539-6608
>> e-mail   m...@cornell.edu
>>
>> Website: http://www.marieread.com
>> Follow me on Facebook:  https://www.facebook.com/Marie
>> -Read-Wildlife-Photography-104356136271727/
>> 
>> From: bounce-121727479-5851...@list.cornell.edu [
>> bounce-121727479-5851...@list.cornell.edu] on behalf of Peter [
>> psara...@rochester.rr.com]
>> Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2017 9:02 AM
>> To: Jay McGowan; CAYUGABIRDS-L
>> Subject: [cayugabirds-l] When to stop feeding hummers AND Orioles
>>
>> Can someone suggest an appropriate time to stop feeding hummers sugar
>> water and orioles jelly?
>> Thanks
>> Pete Sar
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Cayugabirds-L List Info:
>> Welcome and Basics
>> Rules and Information
>> Subscribe, Configuration and Leave> ing.com/CayugabirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm>
>> Archives:
>> The Mail Archive> edu/maillist.html>
>> Surfbirds
>> BirdingOnThe.Net
>> Please submit your observations to eBird> >!
>> --
>>
>> --
>>
>> Cayugabirds-L List Info:
>> http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsWELCOME
>> http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsRULES
>> http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsSubscribeConfigur
>> ationLeave.htm
>>
>> ARCHIVES:
>> 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/cayugabirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html
>> 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/Cayugabirds
>> 3) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/CAYU.html
>>
>> Please submit your observations to eBird:
>> http://ebird.org/content/ebird/
>>
>> --
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> "For the sake of some little mouthful of flesh we deprive a soul of the
> sun and the light, and of that proportion of life and time it had been born
> into the world to enjoy" Plutarch
>
> If you permit
> this evil, what is the good
> of the good of your life?
>
> -Stanley Kunitz...
>
> --
> *Cayugabirds-L List Info:*
> Welcome and Basics 
> Rules and Information 
> Subscribe, Configuration and Leave
> 
> *Archives:*
> The Mail Archive
> 
> Surfbirds 
> BirdingOnThe.Net 
> *Please submit your observations to eBird
> !*
> --
>
>
> 
>  Virus-free.
> www.avg.com
> 
>
>
> --
> *Cayugabirds-L List Info:*
> Welcome and Basics 
> Rules and Information 
> 

Re: [cayugabirds-l] When to stop feeding hummers AND Orioles

[Peter]

Yes. My concern is that I hear tell keep feeders up for both hummers and 
orioles will "trick" them into staying longer than they should.

I've been told this is not a concern for hummers. How about Orioles?
Thanks

Pete


On 8/16/2017 1:46 PM, Linda Orkin wrote:
> And when all have migrated through. It is my understanding that 
> migratory hummingbirds are able to find and utilize feeders as they 
> travel.
>
> https://www.thespruce.com/when-to-take-down-hummingbird-feeders-385959
>
> Linda Orkin
> Ithaca, NY
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 1:26 PM, Marie P. Read  > wrote:
>
> After they've left on migration!
> Feeding them isn't going to prevent them from migrating, if that's
> what you were worried about.
>
> Marie
>
> Marie Read Wildlife Photography
> 452 Ringwood Road
> Freeville NY  13068 USA
>
> Phone 607-539-6608 
> e-mail m...@cornell.edu 
>
> Website: http://www.marieread.com
> Follow me on Facebook:
> https://www.facebook.com/Marie-Read-Wildlife-Photography-104356136271727/
> 
> 
> 
> From: bounce-121727479-5851...@list.cornell.edu
> 
> [bounce-121727479-5851...@list.cornell.edu
> ] on behalf of
> Peter [psara...@rochester.rr.com ]
> Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2017 9:02 AM
> To: Jay McGowan; CAYUGABIRDS-L
> Subject: [cayugabirds-l] When to stop feeding hummers AND Orioles
>
> Can someone suggest an appropriate time to stop feeding hummers
> sugar water and orioles jelly?
> Thanks
> Pete Sar
>
>
>
>
> --
> Cayugabirds-L List Info:
> Welcome and
> Basics >
> Rules and
> Information >
> Subscribe, Configuration and
> 
> Leave 
> >
> Archives:
> The Mail
> 
> Archive >
> Surfbirds >
> BirdingOnThe.Net >
> Please submit your observations to
> eBird >!
> --
>
> --
>
> Cayugabirds-L List Info:
> http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsWELCOME
> 
> http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsRULES
> 
> http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm
> 
> 
>
> ARCHIVES:
> 1)
> http://www.mail-archive.com/cayugabirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html
> 
> 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/Cayugabirds
> 
> 3) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/CAYU.html
> 
>
> Please submit your observations to eBird:
> http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ 
>
> --
>
>
>
>
> -- 
> "For the sake of some little mouthful of flesh we deprive a soul of 
> the sun and the light, and of that proportion of life and time it had 
> been born into the world to enjoy" Plutarch
>
> If you permit
> this evil, what is the good
> of the good of your life?
>
> -Stanley Kunitz...
>
> --
> *Cayugabirds-L List Info:*
> Welcome and Basics 
> Rules and Information 
> Subscribe, Configuration and Leave 
> 
> *Archives:*
> The Mail Archive 
> 
> Surfbirds 
> BirdingOnThe.Net 
> *Please submit your observations to eBird 
> !*
> --
>
> 

RE: [cayugabirds-l] When to stop feeding hummers AND Orioles - clarification

[Marie P. Read]

I guess I am a bit too literal-minded and misunderstood what Pete was asking.

In answer to a slightly different question "When is the latest that 
hummingbirds and orioles are around so that I can take down my feeders (which 
at that point may or may not be attracting any birds anyway)? ": for 
hummingbirds my experience has been the middle to the end of September, I 
usually have hummingbirds up until September 19th or so. For orioles, I 
couldn't say but maybe someone else could offer an opinion.

A slight diversion, I had a family of orioles feeding in the trumpet vines in 
my yard...they seemed to be pecking at the base of each open 
flower...presumably to get at the nectar inside (although maybe to get insects 
too?). Anyway I enjoyed seeing this cool behavior although they basically 
trashed the flowers!

Marie




Marie Read Wildlife Photography
452 Ringwood Road
Freeville NY  13068 USA

Phone  607-539-6608
e-mail   m...@cornell.edu

Website: http://www.marieread.com
Follow me on Facebook:  
https://www.facebook.com/Marie-Read-Wildlife-Photography-104356136271727/

From: Linda Orkin [wingmagi...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2017 1:46 PM
To: Marie P. Read
Cc: Peter; CAYUGABIRDS-L
Subject: Re: [cayugabirds-l] When to stop feeding hummers AND Orioles

And when all have migrated through. It is my understanding that migratory 
hummingbirds are able to find and utilize feeders as they travel.

https://www.thespruce.com/when-to-take-down-hummingbird-feeders-385959

Linda Orkin
Ithaca, NY


On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 1:26 PM, Marie P. Read 
> wrote:
After they've left on migration!
Feeding them isn't going to prevent them from migrating, if that's what you 
were worried about.

Subject: [cayugabirds-l] When to stop feeding hummers AND Orioles

Can someone suggest an appropriate time to stop feeding hummers sugar water and 
orioles jelly?
Thanks
Pete Sar


--

Cayugabirds-L List Info:
http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsWELCOME
http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsRULES
http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm

ARCHIVES:
1) http://www.mail-archive.com/cayugabirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html
2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/Cayugabirds
3) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/CAYU.html

Please submit your observations to eBird:
http://ebird.org/content/ebird/

--

Re: [cayugabirds-l] When to stop feeding hummers AND Orioles

[Linda Orkin]

And when all have migrated through. It is my understanding that migratory
hummingbirds are able to find and utilize feeders as they travel.

https://www.thespruce.com/when-to-take-down-hummingbird-feeders-385959

Linda Orkin
Ithaca, NY


On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 1:26 PM, Marie P. Read  wrote:

> After they've left on migration!
> Feeding them isn't going to prevent them from migrating, if that's what
> you were worried about.
>
> Marie
>
> Marie Read Wildlife Photography
> 452 Ringwood Road
> Freeville NY  13068 USA
>
> Phone  607-539-6608
> e-mail   m...@cornell.edu
>
> Website: http://www.marieread.com
> Follow me on Facebook:  https://www.facebook.com/Marie-Read-Wildlife-
> Photography-104356136271727/
> 
> From: bounce-121727479-5851...@list.cornell.edu [bounce-121727479-5851667@
> list.cornell.edu] on behalf of Peter [psara...@rochester.rr.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2017 9:02 AM
> To: Jay McGowan; CAYUGABIRDS-L
> Subject: [cayugabirds-l] When to stop feeding hummers AND Orioles
>
> Can someone suggest an appropriate time to stop feeding hummers sugar
> water and orioles jelly?
> Thanks
> Pete Sar
>
>
>
>
> --
> Cayugabirds-L List Info:
> Welcome and Basics
> Rules and Information
> Subscribe, Configuration and Leave CayugabirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm>
> Archives:
> The Mail Archive cornell.edu/maillist.html>
> Surfbirds
> BirdingOnThe.Net
> Please submit your observations to eBird!
> --
>
> --
>
> Cayugabirds-L List Info:
> http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsWELCOME
> http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsRULES
> http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm
>
> ARCHIVES:
> 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/cayugabirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html
> 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/Cayugabirds
> 3) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/CAYU.html
>
> Please submit your observations to eBird:
> http://ebird.org/content/ebird/
>
> --
>
>


-- 
"For the sake of some little mouthful of flesh we deprive a soul of the sun
and the light, and of that proportion of life and time it had been born
into the world to enjoy" Plutarch

If you permit
this evil, what is the good
of the good of your life?

-Stanley Kunitz...

--

Cayugabirds-L List Info:
http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsWELCOME
http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsRULES
http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm

ARCHIVES:
1) http://www.mail-archive.com/cayugabirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html
2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/Cayugabirds
3) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/CAYU.html

Please submit your observations to eBird:
http://ebird.org/content/ebird/

--

RE: [cayugabirds-l] When to stop feeding hummers AND Orioles

[Marie P. Read]

After they've left on migration!
Feeding them isn't going to prevent them from migrating, if that's what you 
were worried about.

Marie

Marie Read Wildlife Photography
452 Ringwood Road
Freeville NY  13068 USA

Phone  607-539-6608
e-mail   m...@cornell.edu

Website: http://www.marieread.com
Follow me on Facebook:  
https://www.facebook.com/Marie-Read-Wildlife-Photography-104356136271727/

From: bounce-121727479-5851...@list.cornell.edu 
[bounce-121727479-5851...@list.cornell.edu] on behalf of Peter 
[psara...@rochester.rr.com]
Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2017 9:02 AM
To: Jay McGowan; CAYUGABIRDS-L
Subject: [cayugabirds-l] When to stop feeding hummers AND Orioles

Can someone suggest an appropriate time to stop feeding hummers sugar water and 
orioles jelly?
Thanks
Pete Sar




--
Cayugabirds-L List Info:
Welcome and Basics
Rules and Information
Subscribe, Configuration and 
Leave
Archives:
The Mail 
Archive
Surfbirds
BirdingOnThe.Net
Please submit your observations to eBird!
--

--

Cayugabirds-L List Info:
http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsWELCOME
http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsRULES
http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm

ARCHIVES:
1) http://www.mail-archive.com/cayugabirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html
2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/Cayugabirds
3) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/CAYU.html

Please submit your observations to eBird:
http://ebird.org/content/ebird/

--

[cayugabirds-l] FW: New post published Meeting on Connecticut Hill Wildlife Management Plan

[John Confer]

The DEC periodically updates management plans for each forest unit. I don’t 
know the details of Connecticut Hill, but I did become involved with the 
Hammond Hill plans. I met with DEC personnel to suggest some alterations in 
their plans for successional habitat. On balance I strongly support them. The 
intention is to create habitat that supports a greater diversity of wildlife. 
In particular, for Hammond Hill State Forest there is a conscious attempt to 
create more early succession habitat by forest cutting. The background is that 
in New York most forest species are increasing while most successional species 
are declining. Even so called forest species frequently use or even require 
successional habitat for part of the annual diet. Bear fatten on berries, 
turkey feed their poults on seeds of successional plants, tanagers feed on 
berries, and deer browse on small woody stems as an important and perhaps 
critical winter food. etc. Of course, early successional habitat supports a 
variety of early successional species, but it also provides forage for deer and 
many other forest species for parts of their annual life. I offer these 
thoughts after 35 years of research on successional species. I wouldn’t throw 
out the baby with the bath water on this effort.

John Confer

From: bounce-121728155-25065...@list.cornell.edu 
[mailto:bounce-121728155-25065...@list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of Dave Gislason
Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2017 12:11 PM
To: Martha Fischer ; CAYUGABIRDS-L 

Subject: Re: [cayugabirds-l] FW: New post published Meeting on Connecticut Hill 
Wildlife Management Plan

They're just telling us about this now, but they've been working at it for a 
couple of years at least. Living close by, I've seen 3 areas turned into YFIs 
(one a camping area), and 3 areas of clear-cutting. There other areas with the 
telltale Blue paint marks indicating "treatments" to come. I would say that 
communication with the public has been quite poor so far. Only recently did 
they construct a couple of message boards with a flyer on the Young forest 
Initiatives -after they had cut down many trees. Maybe they've been barraged 
with questions and/or complaints.



On Tuesday, August 15, 2017, 9:03:46 AM EDT, Martha Fischer 
> wrote:


Here’s an FYI…

There's a new post at TownOfEnfield.org. Meeting on Connecticut Hill Wildlife 
Management Plan
Meeting on Connecticut Hill Wildlife Management Plan
Thursday, September 14, 2017 at 6:00 p.m.
Newfield Fire Dept., 77 Main St. Newfield, NY
NYSDEC will host an open house to provide information on a recently finalized 
habitat management plan for Connecticut hill Wildlife Management Area located 
in the Towns of Catherine, Cayuta and Hector, ...
You may view the latest post at 
http://townofenfield.org/meeting-on-connecticut-hill-wildlife-management-plan/
You received this e-mail because you asked to be notified when new updates are 
posted.

Thank you.
Town of Enfield


--
Cayugabirds-L List Info:
Welcome and Basics
Rules and Information
Subscribe, Configuration and 
Leave
Archives:
The Mail 
Archive
Surfbirds
BirdingOnThe.Net
Please submit your observations to eBird!
--
--
Cayugabirds-L List Info:
Welcome and Basics
Rules and Information
Subscribe, Configuration and 
Leave
Archives:
The Mail 
Archive
Surfbirds
BirdingOnThe.Net
Please submit your observations to eBird!
--

--

Cayugabirds-L List Info:
http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsWELCOME
http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsRULES
http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm

ARCHIVES:
1) http://www.mail-archive.com/cayugabirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html
2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/Cayugabirds
3) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/CAYU.html

Please submit your observations to eBird:
http://ebird.org/content/ebird/

--

Re: [cayugabirds-l] FW: New post published Meeting on Connecticut Hill Wildlife Management Plan

[Dave Gislason]

They're just telling us about this now, but they've been working at it for a 
couple of years at least. Living close by, I've seen 3 areas turned into YFIs 
(one a camping area), and 3 areas of clear-cutting. There other areas with the 
telltale Blue paint marks indicating "treatments" to come. I would say that 
communication with the public has been quite poor so far. Only recently did 
they construct a couple of message boards with a flyer on the Young forest 
Initiatives -after they had cut down many trees. Maybe they've been barraged 
with questions and/or complaints.


On Tuesday, August 15, 2017, 9:03:46 AM EDT, Martha Fischer  
wrote:

Here’s an FYI…
There's a new post at TownOfEnfield.org. Meeting on Connecticut Hill Wildlife 
Management Plan
Meeting on Connecticut Hill Wildlife Management Plan
Thursday, September 14, 2017 at 6:00 p.m.
Newfield Fire Dept., 77 Main St. Newfield, NY
NYSDEC will host an open house to provide information on a recently finalized 
habitat management plan for Connecticut hill Wildlife Management Area located 
in the Towns of Catherine, Cayuta and Hector, ...
You may view the latest post at 
http://townofenfield.org/meeting-on-connecticut-hill-wildlife-management-plan/
You received this e-mail because you asked to be notified when new updates are 
posted.

Thank you.
Town of Enfield

-- Cayugabirds-L List Info: Welcome and Basics Rules and Information Subscribe, 
Configuration and Leave Archives: The Mail Archive Surfbirds BirdingOnThe.Net 
Please submit your observations to eBird! --
--

Cayugabirds-L List Info:
http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsWELCOME
http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsRULES
http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm

ARCHIVES:
1) http://www.mail-archive.com/cayugabirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html
2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/Cayugabirds
3) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/CAYU.html

Please submit your observations to eBird:
http://ebird.org/content/ebird/

--

[cayugabirds-l] When to stop feeding hummers AND Orioles

[Peter]

Can someone suggest an appropriate time to stop feeding hummers sugar 
water and orioles jelly?
Thanks
Pete Sar
>
>   
>
> <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2>


--

Cayugabirds-L List Info:
http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsWELCOME
http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsRULES
http://www.NortheastBirding.com/CayugabirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm

ARCHIVES:
1) http://www.mail-archive.com/cayugabirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html
2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/Cayugabirds
3) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/CAYU.html

Please submit your observations to eBird:
http://ebird.org/content/ebird/

--