Re: [cayugabirds-l] help determining the time to mow fields

[Paul Anderson]

Thanks Geo for this suggestion. I just added this document to the 
Resources section of the CBC website: 
http://www.cayugabirdclub.org/Resources. It's right at the end.

I'm more than happy to accept other suggestions for similar additions.

-Paul

On 3/15/2016 10:13 AM, Geo Kloppel wrote:
> I would like to suggest that the Hayfields & Grassland Birds link 
> below might be a useful addition to the Cayuga Bird Club webpage, so 
> that club members and visitors can easily re-locate this valuable but 
> rather deeply buried resource.
>
> http://www.nysenvirothon.net/Referencesandother/Hayfields_Grassland_Birds.pdf
>
> -Geo
>
>
> On Mar 15, 2016, at 9:41 AM, Geo Kloppel  > wrote:
>
>> Prompted by Mike Palermo to go to the _correct_ section, I find that 
>> the collection of Cooperative Extension documents he shared does 
>> contain just what the livestock guy at Winter Market needs. Readers 
>> can navigate to it as Mike described (you have to hunt for the link 
>> labeled "Hayfields & Grassland Birds", _not_ the one that says 
>> "Fields & Grassland Birds"), but here's a more direct link right to 
>> that section:
>>
>> http://www.nysenvirothon.net/Referencesandother/Hayfields_Grassland_Birds.pdf
>>
>> It's a beautiful treatment, and I thank Mike for his patience in 
>> leading my eye to it.
>>
>> -Geo
>>
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Re: [cayugabirds-l] help determining the time to mow fields

[Geo Kloppel]

I would like to suggest that the Hayfields & Grassland Birds link below might 
be a useful addition to the Cayuga Bird Club webpage, so that club members and 
visitors can easily re-locate this valuable but rather deeply buried resource.

http://www.nysenvirothon.net/Referencesandother/Hayfields_Grassland_Birds.pdf

-Geo


> On Mar 15, 2016, at 9:41 AM, Geo Kloppel  wrote:
> 
> Prompted by Mike Palermo to go to the _correct_ section, I find that the 
> collection of Cooperative Extension documents he shared does contain just 
> what the livestock guy at Winter Market needs. Readers can navigate to it as 
> Mike described (you have to hunt for the link labeled "Hayfields & Grassland 
> Birds", _not_ the one that says "Fields & Grassland Birds"), but here's a 
> more direct link right to that section:
> 
> http://www.nysenvirothon.net/Referencesandother/Hayfields_Grassland_Birds.pdf
> 
> It's a beautiful treatment, and I thank Mike for his patience in leading my 
> eye to it.
> 
> -Geo
> 

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Re: [cayugabirds-l] help determining the time to mow fields

[Geo Kloppel]

Prompted by Mike Palermo to go to the _correct_ section, I find that the 
collection of Cooperative Extension documents he shared does contain just what 
the livestock guy at Winter Market needs. Readers can navigate to it as Mike 
described (you have to hunt for the link labeled "Hayfields & Grassland Birds", 
_not_ the one that says "Fields & Grassland Birds"), but here's a more direct 
link right to that section:

http://www.nysenvirothon.net/Referencesandother/Hayfields_Grassland_Birds.pdf

It's a beautiful treatment, and I thank Mike for his patience in leading my eye 
to it.

-Geo


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Re: [cayugabirds-l] help determining the time to mow fields

[Geo Kloppel]

The NYDEC and Cornell Cooperative Extension documents that were mentioned seem 
to be oriented toward management for grassland wildlife, so they say that no 
cutting should take place between late April and mid August. That's fine if 
you're managing a nature preserve, but it's probably not practical for people 
in the business of making hay, like the one Michael was talking to at Winter 
Market. Farmers who want guidance about reducing the negative impact of their 
hay making operations on grassland birds need a scheme that recognizes the 
contingencies of avian breeding and the economic constraints of farming.

-Geo

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Re: [cayugabirds-l] help determining the time to mow fields

[Marc Devokaitis]

Hi Michael,

This should be helpful if you haven't come across it yet.
http://www.dec.ny.gov/pubs/86582.html

Marc



On Mon, Mar 14, 2016 at 2:23 PM, Michael O. Engle  wrote:

> Hi,
>
>
>
> I had a chat with a local livestock raiser at Winter Market this weekend.
> He hays a number of fields and would like some guidance on the best time to
> do the haying to protect birds that nest in the fields he cuts. Please
> respond to me off list, and I will pass his contact information along.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
> Michael
>
>
>
> +
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RE:[cayugabirds-l] help determining the time to mow fields

[Palermo, Michael N (DEC)]

A useful document produced by Cornell Cooperative Extension can be found at 
http://www.nysenvirothon.net/wildlife/WildReferences.html under Wildlife 
Conservation and Management titled "Hayfields & Grassland Birds."

Don't forget timing of mowing is important for fawns and other wildlife, too.

Michael N. Palermo
Wildlife Biologist, Division of Fish, Wildlife and Marine Resources

New York State Department of Environmental Conservation
6274 East Avon-Lima Road, Avon, NY 14414
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From: bounce-120268837-72193...@list.cornell.edu 
[mailto:bounce-120268837-72193...@list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of Michael O. 
Engle
Sent: Monday, March 14, 2016 4:03 PM
To: CAYUGABIRDS-L
Subject: RE:[cayugabirds-l] help determining the time to mow fields

I'm fine with the discussion taking place on the list. I think it would be 
good, in the end, if one person could work directly with the livestock guy I 
talked with to advise/train/support him over time. It's certainly a useful kind 
of knowledge for livestock producers who manage fields for hay. I wonder if the 
county extension folks are a useful resource to help out and provide support 
with this topic.

Michael

+
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From: Donna Lee Scott
Sent: Monday, March 14, 2016 3:39 PM
To: Michael O. Engle <m...@cornell.edu<mailto:m...@cornell.edu>>; CAYUGABIRDS-L 
<cayugabird...@list.cornell.edu<mailto:cayugabird...@list.cornell.edu>>
Subject: RE: help determining the time to mow fields

While I can understand why Michael wants to keep the conversation with the 
livestock person off the list, I think it would benefit many of us if we knew 
what are the recommendations are for when is the best time to mow hay or grass 
fields with regard to protecting nesting grassland birds and their offspring.

I would like this information to be posted on the list.
I often toy with the idea of trying to convince some local landowners here in 
Lansing to mow large grass expanses in later summer, but I don't know what the 
cut-off date is.

Donna L. Scott
Lansing Station Road
Lansing, NY

From: 
bounce-120268126-15001...@list.cornell.edu<mailto:bounce-120268126-15001...@list.cornell.edu>
 [mailto:bounce-120268126-15001...@list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of Michael O. 
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Sent: Monday, March 14, 2016 2:24 PM
To: CAYUGABIRDS-L 
<cayugabird...@list.cornell.edu<mailto:cayugabird...@list.cornell.edu>>
Subject: [cayugabirds-l] help determining the time to mow fields

Hi,

I had a chat with a local livestock raiser at Winter Market this weekend. He 
hays a number of fields and would like some guidance on the best time to do the 
haying to protect birds that nest in the fields he cuts. Please respond to me 
off list, and I will pass his contact information along.

Thanks,

Michael

+
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RE:[cayugabirds-l] help determining the time to mow fields

[Michael O. Engle]

I'm fine with the discussion taking place on the list. I think it would be 
good, in the end, if one person could work directly with the livestock guy I 
talked with to advise/train/support him over time. It's certainly a useful kind 
of knowledge for livestock producers who manage fields for hay. I wonder if the 
county extension folks are a useful resource to help out and provide support 
with this topic.

Michael

+
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Reference and Instruction Librarian
Selector, Olin/Uris Reference and Anglo-American News
106 Olin Library, Cornell University, Ithaca, NY 14853
Email: m...@cornell.edu; Telephone: (607) 255-1884

From: Donna Lee Scott
Sent: Monday, March 14, 2016 3:39 PM
To: Michael O. Engle ; CAYUGABIRDS-L 

Subject: RE: help determining the time to mow fields

While I can understand why Michael wants to keep the conversation with the 
livestock person off the list, I think it would benefit many of us if we knew 
what are the recommendations are for when is the best time to mow hay or grass 
fields with regard to protecting nesting grassland birds and their offspring.

I would like this information to be posted on the list.
I often toy with the idea of trying to convince some local landowners here in 
Lansing to mow large grass expanses in later summer, but I don't know what the 
cut-off date is.

Donna L. Scott
Lansing Station Road
Lansing, NY

From: 
bounce-120268126-15001...@list.cornell.edu
 [mailto:bounce-120268126-15001...@list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of Michael O. 
Engle
Sent: Monday, March 14, 2016 2:24 PM
To: CAYUGABIRDS-L 
>
Subject: [cayugabirds-l] help determining the time to mow fields

Hi,

I had a chat with a local livestock raiser at Winter Market this weekend. He 
hays a number of fields and would like some guidance on the best time to do the 
haying to protect birds that nest in the fields he cuts. Please respond to me 
off list, and I will pass his contact information along.

Thanks,

Michael

+
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Re: [cayugabirds-l] help determining the time to mow fields

[Geo Kloppel]

Here's my take:

I think a cut-off date (a one-date-fits-all approach) is pretty hopeless, as it 
forces you to postpone all your cutting until quite late, reducing the economic 
viability of your business operation. 

In my opinion it's much better to do an assessment year-by-year and 
field-by-field. Beginning in late May or early June, you study each of the 
fields you intend to cut, in order to determine which species are currently 
breeding there, and then you schedule the cuttings accordingly. Fields without 
any breeding birds can be cut as early as you please. Fields with species that 
are under very serious threat in your region can be left entirely untouched. 
And for all the cases in between those extremes, you can consult resources like 
the NY breeding season tables, and try to balance the economic needs of your 
operation against the interests of present species that may indeed suffer 
immediate reproductive losses at your hands, but that would have no future in 
our region if your activity were so unprofitable that it ceased altogether and 
all the fields reverted to forest.

-Geo

> On Mar 14, 2016, at 3:39 PM, Donna Lee Scott  wrote:
> 
> While I can understand why Michael wants to keep the conversation with the 
> livestock person off the list, I think it would benefit many of us if we knew 
> what are the recommendations are for when is the best time to mow hay or 
> grass fields with regard to protecting nesting grassland birds and their 
> offspring.
>  
> I would like this information to be posted on the list.
> I often toy with the idea of trying to convince some local landowners here in 
> Lansing to mow large grass expanses in later summer, but I don’t know what 
> the cut-off date is.
>  
> Donna L. Scott
> Lansing Station Road
> Lansing, NY
>  
> From: bounce-120268126-15001...@list.cornell.edu 
> [mailto:bounce-120268126-15001...@list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of Michael O. 
> Engle
> Sent: Monday, March 14, 2016 2:24 PM
> To: CAYUGABIRDS-L 
> Subject: [cayugabirds-l] help determining the time to mow fields
>  
> Hi,
>  
> I had a chat with a local livestock raiser at Winter Market this weekend. He 
> hays a number of fields and would like some guidance on the best time to do 
> the haying to protect birds that nest in the fields he cuts. Please respond 
> to me off list, and I will pass his contact information along.
>  
> Thanks,
>  
> Michael
>  
> +
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RE:[cayugabirds-l] help determining the time to mow fields

[Donna Lee Scott]

While I can understand why Michael wants to keep the conversation with the 
livestock person off the list, I think it would benefit many of us if we knew 
what are the recommendations are for when is the best time to mow hay or grass 
fields with regard to protecting nesting grassland birds and their offspring.

I would like this information to be posted on the list.
I often toy with the idea of trying to convince some local landowners here in 
Lansing to mow large grass expanses in later summer, but I don't know what the 
cut-off date is.

Donna L. Scott
Lansing Station Road
Lansing, NY

From: bounce-120268126-15001...@list.cornell.edu 
[mailto:bounce-120268126-15001...@list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of Michael O. 
Engle
Sent: Monday, March 14, 2016 2:24 PM
To: CAYUGABIRDS-L 
Subject: [cayugabirds-l] help determining the time to mow fields

Hi,

I had a chat with a local livestock raiser at Winter Market this weekend. He 
hays a number of fields and would like some guidance on the best time to do the 
haying to protect birds that nest in the fields he cuts. Please respond to me 
off list, and I will pass his contact information along.

Thanks,

Michael

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