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2020-07-03 Thread Schreuder, Herman /DE
. Juli 2020 13:11 An: Schreuder, Herman /DE Cc: CCP4BB@jiscmail.ac.uk Betreff: Re: [ccp4bb] AW: [ccp4bb] AW: [EXTERNAL] Re: [ccp4bb] number of frames to get a full dataset? EXTERNAL : Real sender is dgwater...@gmail.com<mailto:dgwater...@gmail.com> Hi Herman, I started googling and en

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2020-07-03 Thread Gerard Bricogne
are happy with the > multiplicity/redundancy they grew up with, that is the way it will stay. > > Best regards, > Herman > > > > > Von: David Waterman > Gesendet: Freitag, 3. Juli 2020 10:49 > An: Schreuder, Herman /DE > Cc: CCP4BB@jiscmail.ac.uk > Betreff: Re:

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2020-07-03 Thread John R Helliwell
t; Best regards, > Herman > > > > > Von: David Waterman > Gesendet: Freitag, 3. Juli 2020 10:49 > An: Schreuder, Herman /DE > Cc: CCP4BB@jiscmail.ac.uk > Betreff: Re: [ccp4bb] AW: [ccp4bb] AW: [EXTERNAL] Re: [ccp4bb] number of > frames to get a full datas

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2020-07-03 Thread David Waterman
, that is the way it will stay. > > > > Best regards, > > Herman > > > > > > > > > > *Von:* David Waterman > *Gesendet:* Freitag, 3. Juli 2020 10:49 > *An:* Schreuder, Herman /DE > *Cc:* CCP4BB@jiscmail.ac.uk > *Betreff:* Re: [ccp4bb] AW:

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2020-07-03 Thread Schreuder, Herman /DE
way it will stay. Best regards, Herman Von: David Waterman Gesendet: Freitag, 3. Juli 2020 10:49 An: Schreuder, Herman /DE Cc: CCP4BB@jiscmail.ac.uk Betreff: Re: [ccp4bb] AW: [ccp4bb] AW: [EXTERNAL] Re: [ccp4bb] number of frames to get a full dataset? EXTERNAL : Real sender is dgwater

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2020-07-03 Thread David Waterman
cy/multiplicity is not a valid argument against MPR. > > > > Cheers, > > Herman > > > > > > > > > > *Von:* CCP4 bulletin board *Im Auftrag von *Ian > Tickle > *Gesendet:* Donnerstag, 2. Juli 2020 22:06 > *An:* CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK >

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2020-07-03 Thread Schreuder, Herman /DE
MPR. Cheers, Herman Von: CCP4 bulletin board Im Auftrag von Ian Tickle Gesendet: Donnerstag, 2. Juli 2020 22:06 An: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Betreff: Re: [ccp4bb] AW: [EXTERNAL] Re: [ccp4bb] number of frames to get a full dataset? EXTERNAL : Real sender is owner-ccp...@jiscmail.ac.uk

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2020-07-02 Thread Ian Tickle
Well I very much doubt that many software developers are going to trawl through all their code, comments, output statements & documentation to change 'redundancy' or 'multiplicity' to 'MPR' or whatever terminology is agreed on (assuming of course we do manage to come to an agreement, which I doubt)

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2020-07-02 Thread Harry Powell - CCP4BB
Dear all I’ve been persuaded that MPR is a useful name (and see that there are shortcomings with both “multiplicity” and “redundancy") and I agree with much of what’s been said most recently in this thread. BTW, just because the Physics definition of a measurement/quantity/whatever is given on

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2020-07-02 Thread Schreuder, Herman /DE
Dear all, While following the development of this thread, I am truly amazed how people cling to names for the number of measurements per reflection whose meaning: * Depends on the cultural/engineering/scientific context * Can only be understood by experts * Where the experts, as witn

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2020-06-30 Thread Schreuder, Herman /DE
Dear BB, Since there does not seem a generally accepted term for the subject of this discussions, and since even the IUCR scriptures do not give any guidance, I would propose to introduce a completely new term: Measurements per reflection or MPR This term is politically neutral, should adequat