Re: [ccp4bb] Combining MR and SIR phases

2019-07-23 Thread Luke Smithers
Thanks everyone for your suggestions, I have a lot to try! Luke On Tue, 23 Jul 2019 at 17:43, Eleanor Dodson wrote: > Well - there are lots of ways to proceed. It doesnt really matter for the > crystallography theory if the exptl phases are from SAD or SIR. Just harder > to handle in some

Re: [ccp4bb] Combining MR and SIR phases

2019-07-23 Thread Phil
Nomenclature: pure SIR or MIR without anomalous has almost never been used, since the beginning of macromolecular crystallography (why would you?). So those of us who are lazy have often used SIR/MIR when we meant SIRAS/MIRAS: we should be more precise. Phil Sent from my iPhone > On 23 Jul

Re: [ccp4bb] Combining MR and SIR phases

2019-07-23 Thread Eleanor Dodson
Oops George - you are correct.. I guess I never think of using either SIR or SAD phases without some investigation into hand, and then only work with the better result. The selection for SAD is rather straightforward - use SHELXE to do density modification and if your sites are correct it is

Re: [ccp4bb] Combining MR and SIR phases

2019-07-23 Thread George Sheldrick
I'm afraid that I have to disagree with Eleanor, a very rare event. Both pure SIR and pure SAD give you only half of the necessary phase information. The initial map will in both cases be a double image. One then tries to improve it by density modification. For pure SAD one image is positive

Re: [ccp4bb] Combining MR and SIR phases

2019-07-23 Thread Eleanor Dodson
Well - there are lots of ways to proceed. It doesnt really matter for the crystallography theory if the exptl phases are from SAD or SIR. Just harder to handle in some software I think I would start to refine the poor MR model with the xptl phases as restraints. REFMAC will do this. Then see if

[ccp4bb] Combining MR and SIR phases

2019-07-23 Thread Luke Smithers
Hi all, I have collected native data and data on a bromide derivative of one of my crystals, but have struggled to get a second derivative. I went through the SIR pipeline as the anomalous signal from the Br was weak and have generated some not-so-great phases. I have also attempted MR with the