Re: [ccp4bb] Finding best model for molecular replacement

2010-05-25 Thread Christine Zardecki
Dear Paul, A few options may be of interest: RCSB PDB Sequence Searching: Paste your sequence into the sequence search box at: http://www.pdb.org/pdb/search/advSearch.do?st=SequenceQuery (also available from Advanced Search and from the Sequence Search of the left hand menu). Sequence search

Re: [ccp4bb] Finding best model for molecular replacement

2010-05-25 Thread Eleanor Dodson
Some afterthoughts: Of course avoid the common MR problems - assigning wrong SG, saturating low resolution data etc etc.. 1) Any sequence search tool might have told you there was only a poor match available. 23% is very marginal for MR and with that degree of similarity you are very wise to

Re: [ccp4bb] Finding best model for molecular replacement

2010-05-24 Thread Ashley Buckle
This is generally a good idea, but removal of residues is a subjective process, and a little trial and error. If your sequence searching finds multiple search models you can superimpose them and systematically remove the poorer fitting regions based upon RMSD. We have built a server for this a

Re: [ccp4bb] Finding best model for molecular replacement

2010-05-24 Thread Jürgen Bosch
You've also applied BRAIN 2.0 ? I mean looked at homologous structures, superimposed them and decided which parts are to be removed ? Never trust programs :-) There could be a flexible alpha helix which if you removed it would have given you in all programs a solution. it's Monday, Jürgen On

Re: [ccp4bb] Finding best model for molecular replacement

2010-05-24 Thread Gerard Bricogne
Dear Paul, Thank you for initiating this thread, for so carefully evaluating the suggestions you received, and for reporting the outcome. Your astonishment gives renewed motivation to people who believe it is still worthwhile continuing to push the frontiers of experimental phasing and

Re: [ccp4bb] Finding best model for molecular replacement

2010-05-24 Thread Paul Lindblom
The last molrep job just finished and it found only an odd solution. So I think I will try to get my phases elsewhere. But I am somewhat astonished that there are still enough cases you can't solve by MR. Thanks to all who replied. Here is a list of servers/programs to find a MR model: http://www

Re: [ccp4bb] Finding best model for molecular replacement

2010-05-24 Thread Harry M. Greenblatt
BS"D You can also use the OCA browser for FASTA searches of the PDB oca.weizmann.ac.il Harry On May 23, 2010, at 10:23 PM, Paul Lindblom wrote: Hi everybody, I just crystallized a new project protein. How can I find a possible model for using molecular replacement? I have the sequence

Re: [ccp4bb] Finding best model for molecular replacement

2010-05-24 Thread David Schuller
Yes, you can try a sequence search of the PDB. But if your sequence matches only part of an existing entry, be aware there is a bug in the PDB sequence search so that it reports the wrong residue numbers for the existing entry. This bug has been reported to RCSB, but they apparently have not fo

Re: [ccp4bb] Finding best model for molecular replacement

2010-05-23 Thread Jürgen Bosch
unambiguous space group ? Jürgen On May 23, 2010, at 4:52 PM, Paul Lindblom wrote: > Thank you all for your quick answers. I already tried the phyre server but > could not find a appropriate model. Balbes found a structure with 29% > identity, but no solution. Now I am running molrep with the

Re: [ccp4bb] Finding best model for molecular replacement

2010-05-23 Thread David Briggs
> Phyre is a fold-recognition server... And one might argue that "recognising the fold", getting the loops/boundaries in the right place is the first step towards getting MR to work properly - which is what I think Phyre does rather well. But I absolutely agree that an approach like this requires

Re: [ccp4bb] Finding best model for molecular replacement

2010-05-23 Thread Paul Lindblom
Thank you all for your quick answers. I already tried the phyre server but could not find a appropriate model. Balbes found a structure with 29% identity, but no solution. Now I am running molrep with the model balbes found... 2010/5/23 Nathaniel Echols > On Sun, May 23, 2010 at 12:57 PM, David

Re: [ccp4bb] Finding best model for molecular replacement

2010-05-23 Thread Nathaniel Echols
On Sun, May 23, 2010 at 12:57 PM, David Briggs wrote: > I like to generate some models using the "Phyre" server > > ( http://www.sbg.bio.ic.ac.uk/~phyre/ ) > > Feed the best .pdbs into Mr Bump. > > Go and get coffee. Come back and find a solution with post-refmac > R/Rfree in the mid-30s. > > IMHO

Re: [ccp4bb] Finding best model for molecular replacement

2010-05-23 Thread Maia Cherney
Try balbes. It needs only your sequence and your mtz file. http://www.ysbl.york.ac.uk/~fei/balbes/ Maia Paul Lindblom wrote: Hi everybody, I just crystallized a new project protein. How can I find a possible model for using molecular replacement? I have the sequence of my protein. Is it e

Re: [ccp4bb] Finding best model for molecular replacement

2010-05-23 Thread David Briggs
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Re: [ccp4bb] Finding best model for molecular replacement

2010-05-23 Thread Joyce, Gordon M. (NIH/NIAID) [F]
, 12441 Parklawn Drive, Rockville, MD 20852, USA Office Phone: 301 594 0242 Lab Phone: 301 496 3792 --- -Original Message- From: Miri Hirshberg [mailto:m...@ebi.ac.uk] Sent: Sunday, May 23, 2010 3:35 PM To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] Finding best model

Re: [ccp4bb] Finding best model for molecular replacement

2010-05-23 Thread Jürgen Bosch
XtalPred http://ffas.burnham.org/XtalPred-cgi/xtal.pl or if you have data already let Balbes do the job. Jürgen On May 23, 2010, at 3:34 PM, Miri Hirshberg wrote: > Sun., May 23rd 2010 > EBI > > Paul, > > 1. yes you can run your sequence against all PDB. > > 1. http://www.ebi.ac.uk/pdbe-srv/

Re: [ccp4bb] Finding best model for molecular replacement

2010-05-23 Thread Miri Hirshberg
Sun., May 23rd 2010 EBI Paul, 1. yes you can run your sequence against all PDB. 1. http://www.ebi.ac.uk/pdbe-srv/view/ drop the one letter sequence in the sequence box and search 2. http://www.ebi.ac.uk/Tools/fasta33/index.html From the Databases protein you pick Protein structure Sequence

[ccp4bb] Finding best model for molecular replacement

2010-05-23 Thread Paul Lindblom
Hi everybody, I just crystallized a new project protein. How can I find a possible model for using molecular replacement? I have the sequence of my protein. Is it enough to make a sequence search in the pdb? Or is there another approach I can use? Thanks a lot, Paul