Re: [ccp4bb] Intergrown crystals and excess of nucleation

2019-09-09 Thread Diana Tomchick
In addition to all the excellent suggestions to perform seeding, you could also try sitting drop vapor diffusion, and also different temperatures. Sometimes moving from 20 to 4 degrees does the trick. Diana ** Diana R. Tomchick Professor

Re: [ccp4bb] Intergrown crystals and excess of nucleation

2019-09-09 Thread Patrick Shaw Stewart
Hi Nikolaus I completely agree with Claude's comments. Microseeding is the first thing to try. You would like to find conditions where you *don't *get crystals without seeding, but you *do *get crystals with seeding. Then, just by diluting the seed stock, you can control nucleation. Look at

Re: [ccp4bb] Intergrown crystals and excess of nucleation

2019-09-09 Thread Claude Sauter
Le 09/09/2019 à 17:22, Nikolas a écrit : Dear crystalgrowers, I am currently working with a protein that appeared to be friendly but turned out it was not the case. I

[ccp4bb] RE [ccp4bb] Intergrown crystals and excess of nucleation

2019-09-09 Thread Andrew Lovering
Hi Nikolas The first thing I would try is to solubilise the protein a bit more, maybe by adding a few % (1-5%) glycerol or ethylene glycol to the growth conditions when you set up the drops. The next thing would be to experiment with ratio (protein:precipitant) and drop size. Lastly, trial

[ccp4bb] Intergrown crystals and excess of nucleation

2019-09-09 Thread Nikolas
Dear crystalgrowers, I am currently working with a protein that appeared to be friendly but turned out it was not the case. I found myself to face -in the scale up- the opposite of the usual problem of nucleation (I really love how this topic finds new ways to make fun of me). In 24-well plates,

Re: [ccp4bb] Intergrown crystals

2014-01-23 Thread Kris Tesh
kellydaugh...@gmail.com To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2014 9:47 AM Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] Intergrown crystals Klaus, I've had success with using paratone to separate crystal clusters. Paratone is quite viscous, and an excellent cryoprotectant. By dragging your crystal

[ccp4bb] Intergrown crystals

2014-01-22 Thread Klaus Fütterer
Dear ccp4bb contributors, We are dealing with the problem of a protein (~ 50 kDa) that crystallises readily, but has an annoying habit of forming highly intergrown rods or needles. Even when the crystals look optically homogenous under the microcsope, diffraction is so so (3.5 Å or so on the

Re: [ccp4bb] Intergrown crystals

2014-01-22 Thread Fischmann, Thierry
a combination of micro-seeding with broad screening Good luck Thierry From: CCP4 bulletin board [mailto:CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK] On Behalf Of Klaus Fütterer Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2014 10:02 AM To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Subject: [ccp4bb] Intergrown crystals Dear ccp4bb contributors, We

Re: [ccp4bb] Intergrown crystals

2014-01-22 Thread Tim Gruene
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Dear Klaus, this list seems to be missing means to reduce the growth rate, in particular micro seeding applied to a matrix screen of protein vs. precipitant concentration: Find the condition(s) just below crystals form and micro-seed with a cat

Re: [ccp4bb] Intergrown crystals

2014-01-22 Thread Kelly Daughtry
Klaus, I've had success with using paratone to separate crystal clusters. Paratone is quite viscous, and an excellent cryoprotectant. By dragging your crystal around (gently) through paratone you can sometimes isolate a single crystal. Also, do you have access to a micro-focus beam? You could try

Re: [ccp4bb] Intergrown crystals

2014-01-22 Thread Enrico Stura
Klaus, You say that crystallises readily So you have solved your own problem. You need to control the rate at which the crystals grow. Among all the things you have tried already, you may have the answer regarding how you can control the crystal growth rate so as to slow it down enough as

Re: [ccp4bb] Intergrown crystals

2014-01-22 Thread Arka Chakraborty
Dear Klaus, Using 250-500 miL of AL's oil ( 1:1 mixture of paraffin and silicone oil) to cover your well solution (in case u are using vapor diffusion) or even ~10 miL of oil on top of your drop can help to reduce nucleation rate and provide single crystals of higher diffraction quality. My two