Re: [ccp4bb] Is it possible to mutate a reversible epimerase into an inreversible one?

2010-05-21 Thread James Stroud
On May 20, 2010, at 1:39 PM, Lijun Liu wrote: I think this is somehow tortured, especially by a quick reading of Dale's explanation. If I understand what you are saying, I think it is too. You imply that asymmetry in the enzyme results in two isomerase pathways. This may be true, but it

Re: [ccp4bb] Is it possible to mutate a reversible epimerase into an inreversible one?

2010-05-21 Thread Lijun Liu
If I understand what you are saying, I think it is too. You imply that asymmetry in the enzyme results in two isomerase pathways. This may be true, but it has no consequence on the prospects for irreversibility. To avoid confusion, let's call these pathways D and S. Both the D and S

Re: [ccp4bb] Is it possible to mutate a reversible epimerase into an inreversible one?

2010-05-21 Thread Dale Tronrud
I think we are having a problem with the definition of reversible and irreversible. By Lijun's definition the reaction is irreversible because it proceeds from far from equilibrium toward equilibrium. That situation is more a property of the system than the enzyme. If you make the enzyme

Re: [ccp4bb] Is it possible to mutate a reversible epimerase into an inreversible one?

2010-05-21 Thread Vinson LIANG
Dear, Dale, Lijun, Michael and all,   Thank you all very much for your comment and discussion, from which not only do I find the answer to my question, but also I have learned a lot.   In my case, both substrates are in the same form, saying 'D'. And I don't expect extra energy to break the EQ

Re: [ccp4bb] Is it possible to mutate a reversible epimerase into an inreversible one?

2010-05-19 Thread Marius Schmidt
Interestingly, Maxwell's demon pops up here, wh... , don't do it. If you change the reaction rate in one direction 1000 times slower than in the other direction, then the reaction becomes practically irreversible. And the system might not be at equilibrium. Maia R. M. Garavito

Re: [ccp4bb] Is it possible to mutate a reversible epimerase into an inreversible one?

2010-05-19 Thread Maia Cherney
You absolutely right, I thought about it. Maia Marius Schmidt wrote: Interestingly, Maxwell's demon pops up here, wh... , don't do it. If you change the reaction rate in one direction 1000 times slower than in the other direction, then the reaction becomes practically

Re: [ccp4bb] Is it possible to mutate a reversible epimerase into an inreversible one?

2010-05-18 Thread Randy Read
Dear Vinson, I would agree with you on choice B. There are probably many ways to look at it. Here are two that come to me at the moment. 1. If the reaction is reversible, then there's no opportunity to put energy into the system to reduce its overall entropy. So a reversible epimerase would

Re: [ccp4bb] Is it possible to mutate a reversible epimerase into an inreversible one?

2010-05-18 Thread James Stroud
Barring some grammatical errors, you've pretty much summed it up. James On May 18, 2010, at 12:31 AM, Vinson LIANG wrote: Dear all, Sorry for this silly biochemistory question. Thing is that I have a reversible epimerase and I want to mutate it into an inreversible one. However, I

Re: [ccp4bb] Is it possible to mutate a reversible epimerase into an inreversible one?

2010-05-18 Thread Maia Cherney
I think that it's possible to do a mutation that affects only one way of the reaction. You can mutate a residue that makes contacts only with the product of the direct way or only of the reverse way. Maia Randy Read wrote: Dear Vinson, I would agree with you on choice B. There are probably

Re: [ccp4bb] Is it possible to mutate a reversible epimerase into an inreversible one?

2010-05-18 Thread Phoebe Rice
You could make use of product binding energy to drive the reaction forward while the substrate/product is bound to the enzyme. But enzymes that pull that trick are barely enzymes - they stay stuck to the first product they make until something else uses some energy to release it. You can't

Re: [ccp4bb] Is it possible to mutate a reversible epimerase into an inreversible one?

2010-05-18 Thread Dale Tronrud
Hi, I'm more of a Fourier coefficient kind of guy, but I thought that a ΔG of zero simply corresponded to an equilibrium constant of one. You can certainly have reversible reactions with other equilibrium constants. In fact I think irreversible reactions are simply ones where the equilibrium

Re: [ccp4bb] Is it possible to mutate a reversible epimerase into an inreversible one?

2010-05-18 Thread R. M. Garavito
Vinson, As Dale and Randy pointed out, you cannot change the ΔG of a reaction by mutation: enzyme, which is a catalyst, affects only the activation barrier (ΔE double-dagger). You can just make it a better (or worse) catalyst which would allow the reaction to flow faster (or slower)

Re: [ccp4bb] Is it possible to mutate a reversible epimerase into an inreversible one?

2010-05-18 Thread Maia Cherney
If you change the reaction rate in one direction 1000 times slower than in the other direction, then the reaction becomes practically irreversible. And the system might not be at equilibrium. Maia R. M. Garavito wrote: Vinson, As Dale and Randy pointed out, you cannot change the ΔG of a

Re: [ccp4bb] Is it possible to mutate a reversible epimerase into an inreversible one?

2010-05-18 Thread Maia Cherney
Sounds like a good explanation. Thank you. Maia Dale Tronrud wrote: If you change the reaction rate in one direction 1000 times slower then the reaction rate in the other direction will also be 1000 times slower and the equilibrium will be in exactly the same place. You can't make the

[ccp4bb] Is it possible to mutate a reversible epimerase into an inreversible one?

2010-05-18 Thread Vinson LIANG
Dear all,   Sorry for this silly biochemistory question.  Thing is that I have a reversible epimerase and I want to mutate it into an inreversible one. However, I have been told that the ΔG of a reversible reaction is zero. Which direction the reaction goes depends only on the concentration of