Re: [ccp4bb] Local real-space refinement by phenix

2010-08-25 Thread James Stroud
The fault is entirely with those who respond to phenix questions. You can't blame the askers for guessing that CCP4BB will get a better response. I call this "The Republican Fallacy". This fallacy is predicated on the assumption that it is easier to modify behavior than it is to modify th

Re: [ccp4bb] Local real-space refinement by phenix

2010-08-25 Thread Jacob Keller
But there is no better way to accumulate wisdom than having children...And certain types of wisdom are *only* accessible through having children! Then again, I have always wondered why most of the authors of the western classics were bachelors--weren't they missing a whole, major facet of life expe

Re: [ccp4bb] Local real-space refinement by phenix

2010-08-25 Thread Gerard Bricogne
>> On 25 Aug 2010, at 22:17, Pavel Afonine wrote: >> >>> On 8/25/10 2:11 PM, George M. Sheldrick wrote: I would like to propose that we rename this list to the "Phenix (and CCP4) Bulletin Board". >>> >>> Sounds too Russian: after collapse of USSR many street names in Moscow, >>> as well

Re: [ccp4bb] Local real-space refinement by phenix

2010-08-25 Thread Pavel Afonine
Hey Garib, LOL... no of course, I was just saying that I'm a bit allergic to re-naming well established things, and some other people may be too -:) Why don't we rename you Mr. Refmac -:) ? Pavel. On 8/25/10 2:25 PM, Garib Murshudov wrote: Are you suggesting ccp4 is collapsing and people a

Re: [ccp4bb] Local real-space refinement by phenix

2010-08-25 Thread Garib Murshudov
Are you suggesting ccp4 is collapsing and people are coming back to the original source? Garib On 25 Aug 2010, at 22:17, Pavel Afonine wrote: On 8/25/10 2:11 PM, George M. Sheldrick wrote: I would like to propose that we rename this list to the "Phenix (and CCP4) Bulletin Board". Sounds

Re: [ccp4bb] Local real-space refinement by phenix

2010-08-25 Thread Nat Echols
On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 2:11 PM, George M. Sheldrick < gshe...@shelx.uni-ac.gwdg.de> wrote: > I would like to propose that we rename this list to the "Phenix (and > CCP4) Bulletin Board". What have people got against sending purely > Phenix questions to the Phenix list? > Actually, people who don

Re: [ccp4bb] Local real-space refinement by phenix

2010-08-25 Thread Hailiang Zhang
Just realized there is a seperate phenix bb. Sorry guy... > I would like to propose that we rename this list to the "Phenix (and > CCP4) Bulletin Board". What have people got against sending purely > Phenix questions to the Phenix list? > > George > > PS. Since there is no SHELX list, if you have

Re: [ccp4bb] Local real-space refinement by phenix

2010-08-25 Thread Pavel Afonine
On 8/25/10 2:11 PM, George M. Sheldrick wrote: I would like to propose that we rename this list to the "Phenix (and CCP4) Bulletin Board". Sounds too Russian: after collapse of USSR many street names in Moscow, as well as metro station names, were renamed back to their "original" names they h

Re: [ccp4bb] Local real-space refinement by phenix

2010-08-25 Thread George M. Sheldrick
I would like to propose that we rename this list to the "Phenix (and CCP4) Bulletin Board". What have people got against sending purely Phenix questions to the Phenix list? George PS. Since there is no SHELX list, if you have a specifically SHELX question you should just email me directly, as i

Re: [ccp4bb] Local real-space refinement by phenix

2010-08-25 Thread Pavel Afonine
Hi Hailiang, phenix.refine does local real-space refinement indeed. Here are the details about the algorithm: http://cci.lbl.gov/~afonine/rsr.pdf Slide #10 shows how to use it. Although it works fine in its present shape, there are still some things that need to be improved and some limita

[ccp4bb] Local real-space refinement by phenix

2010-08-25 Thread Hailiang Zhang
Hi there: As I understand, phenix.refine do real-space refinement locally (by DiffMap), but from the documentation, I didn't find the keywords to specify the residue range to be refined. Thanks for any help! Best Regards, Hailiang