[ccp4bb] Potentially serious if unusual bug in handling symmetry

2014-05-23 Thread Eleanor Dodson
Someone here has seen his Rfactors leap from 18% to 42% and was naturally distressed! We have tracked down the problem to this: Steps he took were: 1) Integrate with XDS and feed output through pointless/aimless etc. He used a phenix refined mtz to Match Laue and indexing The space group

Re: [ccp4bb] Potentially serious if unusual bug in handling symmetry

2014-05-23 Thread Ian Tickle
Eleanor Clearly the space group name when given should always override the number, since whereas there is universal agreement on what the names should be (allowing for variants such as P21 and P1211 and +/- redundant spaces), there is no universal agreement on what the numbers should be (in fact

Re: [ccp4bb] Potentially serious if unusual bug in handling symmetry

2014-05-23 Thread Phil Evans
Surely Refmac or any other program should honour the symmetry operators in the MTZ file - that's why they are there! Phil On 23 May 2014, at 12:34, Eleanor Dodson eleanor.dod...@york.ac.uk wrote: Someone here has seen his Rfactors leap from 18% to 42% and was naturally distressed! We

Re: [ccp4bb] Potentially serious if unusual bug in handling symmetry

2014-05-23 Thread Phil Evans
OK I guess Pointless is accepting the number as given in the reference file, rather than changing it. If Pointless is just determining the space group it does give the correct (i.e. weird CCP4 convention) number * Space group = 'P 2 21 21' (number 3018) I'm not sure how to test this as I