Re: [ccp4bb] Suggestions for solving a structure with 8-10 copies per asymmetric unit

2012-05-01 Thread Gabor Bunkoczi
e and all was fine after that. It was surprising to see that good solutions were obvious from a packing consideration, while inadequate solutions were obviously wrong. Mark -Original Message- From: Ke, Jiyuan To: CCP4BB Sent: Mon, Apr 30, 2012 2:28 pm Subject: [ccp4bb] Suggestions for

Re: [ccp4bb] Suggestions for solving a structure with 8-10 copies per asymmetric unit

2012-05-01 Thread Airlie McCoy
For those of you who want to attempt multi-copy problems with Phaser... Most of the work on Phaser over the last year has gone into improving results for multi-copy problems, to increase the signal-to-noise of the searches and reduce the computation time (more solutions for less cpu). The big

Re: [ccp4bb] Suggestions for solving a structure with 8-10 copies per asymmetric unit

2012-05-01 Thread Eleanor Dodson
Well - I have found lots of molecules but usually not in a single run. The first thing to think about is: is this likely to be a dimer? trimer? tetramer? Things to consider - a) any non-cryst translation? b) tthe self rotation might give a clue - c) is the model a multimer, c)what do the biochemist

Re: [ccp4bb] Suggestions for solving a structure with 8-10 copies per asymmetric unit

2012-05-01 Thread Randy Read
There were many complaints that Phaser was too strict in its packing check, so since version 2.3 (the one with the soon-to-be-updated version of CCP4), Phaser has by default allowed up to 5% of the trace atoms to clash. In more recent versions (available with Phenix and soon from CCP4), if some

Re: [ccp4bb] Suggestions for solving a structure with 8-10 copies per asymmetric unit

2012-04-30 Thread Steiner, Roberto
] Suggestions for solving a structure with 8-10 copies per asymmetric unit Dear All, I have a question regarding solving a crystal structure by molecular replacement. It is a single protein with a molecular weight of 25.5 kDa. The cell dimension is rather big from the diffraction data ( 90.9 Å, 143.9 Å

Re: [ccp4bb] Suggestions for solving a structure with 8-10 copies per asymmetric unit

2012-04-30 Thread Ho Leung Ng
When searching for multiple molecules/ASU, you need to be careful with how the software handles packing. Small but acceptable clashes can accumulate and cause the searches to fail. I suggest using a highly trimmed as well as a poly-alanine model. I've had success with both epmr and Phaser. With Pha

Re: [ccp4bb] Suggestions for solving a structure with 8-10 copies per asymmetric unit

2012-04-30 Thread Roger Rowlett
sage- From: Ke, Jiyuan To: CCP4BB Sent: Mon, Apr 30, 2012 2:28 pm Subject: [ccp4bb] Suggestions for solving a structure with 8-10 copies per asymmetric unit Dear All, I have a question regarding solving a crystal structure by molecular replacement. It is a single protein with a molecular

Re: [ccp4bb] Suggestions for solving a structure with 8-10 copies per asymmetric unit

2012-04-30 Thread Jacob Keller
2:28 pm > Subject: [ccp4bb] Suggestions for solving a structure with 8-10 copies per > asymmetric unit > > Dear All, > > I have a question regarding solving a crystal structure by molecular > replacement. It is a single protein with a molecular weight of 25.5 kDa. > The

Re: [ccp4bb] Suggestions for solving a structure with 8-10 copies per asymmetric unit

2012-04-30 Thread mjvdwoerd
obviously wrong. Mark -Original Message- From: Ke, Jiyuan To: CCP4BB Sent: Mon, Apr 30, 2012 2:28 pm Subject: [ccp4bb] Suggestions for solving a structure with 8-10 copies per asymmetric unit Dear All, I have a question regarding solving a crystal structure by molecular replacement. It

Re: [ccp4bb] Suggestions for solving a structure with 8-10 copies per asymmetric unit

2012-04-30 Thread Savvas Savvides
Dear Jiyuan have you run any data diagnostics on your dataset? Ccp4 offers quite some options (truncate, detwin etc), and xtriage from PHENIX is also very powerful. And how sure are you of your laue group symmetry and space group (pointless via ccp4 and xtriage via PHENIX can be very helpful)? A

Re: [ccp4bb] Suggestions for solving a structure with 8-10 copies per asymmetric unit

2012-04-30 Thread David Schuller
On 04/30/12 11:41, Ke, Jiyuan wrote: Dear All, I have a question regarding solving a crystal structure by molecular replacement. It is a single protein with a molecular weight of 25.5 kDa. The cell dimension is rather big from the diffraction data ( 90.9 Å, 143.9 Å, 216.3Å, 90°, 90°, 90°).

Re: [ccp4bb] Suggestions for solving a structure with 8-10 copies per asymmetric unit

2012-04-30 Thread Roger Rowlett
For large copy number MR solutions, we have found that EPMR is a good alternative to Phaser when the latter doesn't find a solution. However, we also have noted in some experimental testing that both Phaser and EPMR have some difficulties with copy numbers greater than 4-6. Another alternative,

[ccp4bb] Suggestions for solving a structure with 8-10 copies per asymmetric unit

2012-04-30 Thread Ke, Jiyuan
Dear All, I have a question regarding solving a crystal structure by molecular replacement. It is a single protein with a molecular weight of 25.5 kDa. The cell dimension is rather big from the diffraction data ( 90.9 Å, 143.9 Å, 216.3Å, 90°, 90°, 90°). The possible space group is P212121. Wit