Re: [ccp4bb] Unable to reproduce robot tray hits in hand trays

2012-03-27 Thread Richardson, Brian C.
Most of the labs sharing our Phoenix have had enough trouble with exactly this that our standard procedure is to now to use 1 µl drops (.5/.5 protein/well) in our initial screens – those scale up much more reliably to the 24-well format and seem less finicky in general, reducing the chances of an

Re: [ccp4bb] Unable to reproduce robot tray hits in hand trays

2012-03-27 Thread Patrick Shaw Stewart
Hi Matt Rajesh asked a similar question last week, below Essentially, you have to *reduce *the protein concentration when you scale up because you lose proportionally more protein from smaller drops. This usually works very well and we see no reason to use more than 0.3 + 0.3 for initial

[ccp4bb] Unable to reproduce robot tray hits in hand trays

2012-03-26 Thread Matthew Lalonde
Dear All, I have searched the archives and would like more information about reproducing robot tray hits using 24-well hand trays. I reproducibly get crystals when I use small volumes (0.5 ul) in 3-well intelliplates but only precipitate in 1-2 ul sitting drops in 24-well hand plates. What

Re: [ccp4bb] Unable to reproduce robot tray hits in hand trays

2012-03-26 Thread Nian Huang
I have seen people only use robot to optimize their crystal and get good diffraction (~2 A). If you keep having trouble, you can try this method instead, even though generally the case is the bigger the drop the bigger crystal. I remember the archive suggest us to use higher concentration of

Re: [ccp4bb] Unable to reproduce robot tray hits in hand trays

2012-03-26 Thread Ed Pozharski
On Mon, 2012-03-26 at 11:57 -0600, Matthew Lalonde wrote: What parameters should I vary to reproduce crystals in hand plates? First of all, protein concentration. It also does not hurt diluting your reservoir since you are getting precipitates. If your goal is to get bigger crystals (which is

Re: [ccp4bb] Unable to reproduce robot tray hits in hand trays

2012-03-26 Thread David Briggs
Hi Matt, This doesn't really answer your question directly, but sidesteps around the issue - I wrote a little something on this exact subject not so long ago - http://xtaldave.wordpress.com/2012/02/23/on-protein-crystallisation/ (You can ignore the first 5 paragraphs of intro - it was written