[ccp4bb] AW: [ccp4bb] Wrong Space Group?

2013-12-16 Thread Herman . Schreuder
: Sonntag, 15. Dezember 2013 23:29 An: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Betreff: Re: [ccp4bb] Wrong Space Group? Its possible you are in a lower space group, perhaps with some twinning, but your search model is different enough to only find a solution when things are over-merged. Try refining your P6522 model

Re: [ccp4bb] Wrong Space Group?

2013-12-15 Thread James Holton
Its possible you are in a lower space group, perhaps with some twinning, but your search model is different enough to only find a solution when things are over-merged. Try refining your P6522 model against data merged in P65. If the other copy (symmetry mate in P6522) does not show up, you may

Re: [ccp4bb] Wrong Space Group?

2013-12-14 Thread Kay Diederichs
On Fri, 13 Dec 2013 19:44:44 +, D Bonsor dbon...@ihv.umaryland.edu wrote: Dear D, I agree with Tim and Jürgen that a) the map after Phaser, and before refinement is the most unbiased and should be used for sequence assignment. b) there may be a sequence register shift error that is

[ccp4bb] Wrong Space Group?

2013-12-13 Thread D Bonsor
Dear all, I have collected ~160 degrees of data on a new crystal form of a protein which has already been solved. Data was processed with XDS and reindex, scaled and truncated with Aimless. Both XDS and Pointless suggested a Laue group of P6/mmm with a possible space group of P6122 or P6522.

Re: [ccp4bb] Wrong Space Group?

2013-12-13 Thread Bosch, Juergen
2.8 is not a terrible resolution to try out Buccaneer or Parrot. Your terrible R-factor might be due to a shift in residues perhaps ? Your After-building map does not show much of a side chain density to judge if you are in frame or off. But the elongated helix is in my eyes convincing enough.

Re: [ccp4bb] wrong space group or wrong refinement strategy

2012-12-01 Thread Randy Read
If that solution applies to the original model you used (and not to re-solving the structure with the molecular replacement solution before or after refinement), then your tetramer model is just being rotated by 90 degrees around the 4-fold and placed on a different origin, i.e. the solution is

[ccp4bb] wrong space group or wrong refinement strategy

2012-11-30 Thread ruisher hu
Hi, Dear CCP4 group, I recently collect one dataset and indexed as P4 space group. When I try to do MR with a tetramer as input, I found the solution file suggested P41. SOLU SET RFZ=5.2 TFZ=10.3 PAK=0 LLG=239 LLG=366 TFZ==20.9 SOLU SPAC P 41 SOLU 6DIM ENSE ensemble1 EULER 50.265 0.217

Re: [ccp4bb] wrong space group or wrong refinement strategy

2012-11-30 Thread vellieux
Hello, What about the enantiomorphic space groups (the 4(3) screw axes instead of the 4(1) screw axes) ? These cannot be distinguised on the basis of structure factor amplitudes (unless you have an anomalous scatterer) nor on the basis of the specific extinctions (both screw axes extinguish