Re: [ccp4bb] advice on anomoulous data collection strategy---low resolution, radiation damage, high mosaicity

2015-04-21 Thread Kay Diederichs
On Mon, 20 Apr 2015 23:15:17 +, Keller, Jacob kell...@janelia.hhmi.org wrote: I have processed test data sets (measured at the SLS) which have only a few non-zero pixels on each frame. Can be nicely integrated - but it was insulin. What were the values of the non-zero pixels, I wonder?

Re: [ccp4bb] advice on anomoulous data collection strategy---low resolution, radiation damage, high mosaicity

2015-04-21 Thread Antonio Ariza
Burning/frying the crystal is never the right strategy, at least not if you use a Pilatus detector. Burning/frying is a strategy that results from the widespread misunderstanding of using Rsym as a criterion of data quality. I apologise if I didn't make myself clear. The point I tried to make

Re: [ccp4bb] advice on anomoulous data collection strategy---low resolution, radiation damage, high mosaicity

2015-04-20 Thread Kay Diederichs
On Fri, 17 Apr 2015 15:00:12 +, Keller, Jacob kell...@janelia.hhmi.org wrote: Finally, there is simply no downside in collecting more degrees with proportionally lower dose on the Pilatus. Merging the data recovers the _same_ signal. It has only advantages - so many that I won't write

Re: [ccp4bb] advice on anomoulous data collection strategy---low resolution, radiation damage, high mosaicity

2015-04-20 Thread Keller, Jacob
I have processed test data sets (measured at the SLS) which have only a few non-zero pixels on each frame. Can be nicely integrated - but it was insulin. What were the values of the non-zero pixels, I wonder? How many total counts per image? And this was, I assume, Pilatus? Sounds pretty

Re: [ccp4bb] advice on anomoulous data collection strategy---low resolution, radiation damage, high mosaicity

2015-04-20 Thread Kay Diederichs
On Fri, 17 Apr 2015 13:02:01 +, Antonio Ariza antonio.ar...@path.ox.ac.uk wrote: Hi, I agree with Kay, try to fry your native crystals to get the highest overall resolution possible, since you mention my name in your sentence: no, this is not what I think (nor said). Burning/frying the

Re: [ccp4bb] advice on anomoulous data collection strategy---low resolution, radiation damage, high mosaicity

2015-04-17 Thread Antonio Ariza
Hi, I agree with Kay, try to fry your native crystals to get the highest overall resolution possible, but go for low resolution if your crystals decay rapidly, particularly when collecting anomalous data. A high overall resolution is always desirable, but during anomalous phasing you can

Re: [ccp4bb] advice on anomoulous data collection strategy---low resolution, radiation damage, high mosaicity

2015-04-17 Thread Jurgen Bosch
Just to clarify, I think what Kay meant with strategy is that you don't just shoot at the crystal and collect. You should figure out what is the optimum start and end point of your data collection. Best to be cautious and not immediately go for highest resolution and not fry your crystal. A 4 A

Re: [ccp4bb] advice on anomoulous data collection strategy---low resolution, radiation damage, high mosaicity

2015-04-17 Thread Antonio Ariza
Something else you could try is using a kappa goniometer. There were a couple of presentations at the last CCP4 meeting where they discussed that alignment along the appropriate axis using a Kappa goniometer often worked much better than the inverse beam mode. By aligning the crystal with the

Re: [ccp4bb] advice on anomoulous data collection strategy---low resolution, radiation damage, high mosaicity

2015-04-17 Thread Jurgen Bosch
I would disagree. My philosophy is: assume this is your only diffracting crystal, maximize the outcome by investing some thoughts into it before being sorry. Therefore, run strategy and optimize for anomalous pairs being collected as close in time as possible. If you have the luxury of having

Re: [ccp4bb] advice on anomoulous data collection strategy---low resolution, radiation damage, high mosaicity

2015-04-17 Thread Kay Diederichs
Hi, I'd say using a Pilatus detector in fine-slicing mode and lowdose/high multiplicity will give you better chances to solve the structure. The right strategy makes a difference ... Best, Kay

Re: [ccp4bb] advice on anomoulous data collection strategy---low resolution, radiation damage, high mosaicity

2015-04-17 Thread Kay Diederichs
But if you only have a single diffracting crystal, then you don't know the space group before the experiment, and you have to collect 180 (native) or 360 (anom) anyway. Plus, I have seen too many sorry cases where people thought they had a certain space group, and later it turned out to be

Re: [ccp4bb] advice on anomoulous data collection strategy---low resolution, radiation damage, high mosaicity

2015-04-17 Thread Keller, Jacob
Finally, there is simply no downside in collecting more degrees with proportionally lower dose on the Pilatus. Merging the data recovers the _same_ signal. It has only advantages - so many that I won't write them up here with 1 finger on my tablet. ...Up to the point at which one can no longer

Re: [ccp4bb] advice on anomoulous data collection strategy---low resolution, radiation damage, high mosaicity

2015-04-17 Thread Jurgen Bosch
I’m sure James Holton has an option for that :-) By the way, zero photon data sets exist and have been published before (some of them had to be retracted though). Jürgen .. Jürgen Bosch Johns Hopkins University Bloomberg School of Public Health Department of Biochemistry

Re: [ccp4bb] advice on anomoulous data collection strategy---low resolution, radiation damage, high mosaicity

2015-04-17 Thread John R Helliwell
Hi, Re Has anybody ever used xenon? Can anyone share the starting pressure and time for optimization? This paper :- doi:10.1107/S0907444901009350 http://dx.doi.org/10.1107/S0907444901009350 offers you details. Best wishes, John On Fri, Apr 17, 2015 at 2:11 AM, joy yang joybeiy...@gmail.com

Re: [ccp4bb] advice on anomoulous data collection strategy---low resolution, radiation damage, high mosaicity

2015-04-16 Thread joy yang
Hi All, Thanks a lot for the advice from Mark. 1. For the comment to use a attenuated beam, the major concern here is resolution, since at full beam, the resolution is already somewhere between 3.5-4.2, I assume that significant attenuation will bring down the resolution dramatically, and also

[ccp4bb] advice on anomoulous data collection strategy---low resolution, radiation damage, high mosaicity

2015-04-16 Thread joy yang
Hi all, I am working a extremely difficult crystal whose resolution is low (3.5-4 A for native ) and could not be solved by MR. I am looking for some advice on data collection strategies, bellow are the details: Say that I have a rod shaped xtal which is 50 um * 150 um * 20 uM, and if i use a