Re: [ccp4bb] chiral volume target value

2009-04-04 Thread Ian Tickle
Bernhard Refmac doesn't specify a target value for the chiral volume, it just specifies 'positive' or 'negative'. It presumably uses the chiral volume computed from the input co-ords as the target, so this is updated as the refinement proceeds. I guess the goal isn't to restrain the geometry to

Re: [ccp4bb] chiral volume target value

2009-04-04 Thread George M. Sheldrick
Bernhard and Ian, Since you ask, SHELXL defines a chiral volume as the volume of the 'unit-cell' that can be constructed using the three interatomic vectors from the atom in question. I think that I took this from PROLSQ, and that Bernhard's formula (which corresponds to the value of a

Re: [ccp4bb] chiral volume target value

2009-04-04 Thread Ralf W. Grosse-Kunstleve
: Bernhard Rupp b...@ruppweb.org To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Sent: Friday, April 3, 2009 9:21:03 PM Subject: [ccp4bb] chiral volume target value Dear All, assuming the chiral volume definition with r() a Cartesian position vector Vc = [r(N)-r(Ca)]*([r(C)-r(Ca)]x[r(Cb)-r(Ca)]) I always get about -0.65

Re: [ccp4bb] chiral volume target value

2009-04-04 Thread Paul Emsley
it is defined by this parameter: chir_volume_esd = 0.2 I believe this is the same value as used in refmac. Ralf - Original Message From: Bernhard Rupp b...@ruppweb.org To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Sent: Friday, April 3, 2009 9:21:03 PM Subject: [ccp4bb] chiral volume target value Dear All

[ccp4bb] chiral volume target value

2009-04-03 Thread Bernhard Rupp
Dear All, assuming the chiral volume definition with r() a Cartesian position vector Vc = [r(N)-r(Ca)]*([r(C)-r(Ca)]x[r(Cb)-r(Ca)]) I always get about -0.65 A**3 Is this correct? Are there any target values? In a SHELX manual I read + 2.5 for the chiral volume - seems to be different. (not