Re: [ccp4bb] freezing crystals grown in isopropanol condition

2010-04-10 Thread Patrick Shaw Stewart
Chris Isopropanol is said a very good precipitant but it's unpopular because it's so difficult to harvest crystals However there's a very convenient way to grow and harvest crystals in isopropanol using Vapor Batch plates. Basically you set up microbatch-under-oil drops containing all the

[ccp4bb] freezing crystals grown in isopropanol condition

2010-04-09 Thread Chris Meier
Dear all, I have a protein which crystallizes in 25% isopropanol, at pH4.5. Does anyone have experience freezing crystals grown in such a condition? What cryoprotectants should I try? Can isopropanol itself act as a cryoprotectant? Any suggestions on how to deal with isopropanol evaporation

Re: [ccp4bb] freezing crystals grown in isopropanol condition

2010-04-09 Thread Herman . Schreuder
From: CCP4 bulletin board [mailto:ccp...@jiscmail.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Chris Meier Sent: Friday, April 09, 2010 10:39 AM To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Subject: [ccp4bb] freezing crystals grown in isopropanol condition

Re: [ccp4bb] freezing crystals grown in isopropanol condition

2010-04-09 Thread James Holton
Yes, isopropanol is a cryoprotectant, and a relatively good one. So are the other alcohols. It was even popular in the olden days when we would typically set up drops that were 5-10 microliters in volume (each!). These take a while (minutes) to evaporate, giving you enough working time to

Re: [ccp4bb] freezing crystals grown in isopropanol condition

2010-04-09 Thread Nathaniel Clark
I have wondered if placing a layer of oil over the drop would help solve the problem of the crystals moving around. Haven't tried it, but don't people harvest from a microbatch tray by dragging the loop and crystal through oil? Nat On Fri, Apr 9, 2010 at 11:21 AM, James Holton jmhol...@lbl.gov

Re: [ccp4bb] freezing crystals grown in isopropanol condition

2010-04-09 Thread James Holton
Yes, oil is great, but you have to be careful to choose an oil in which the alcohol is not soluble, or the oil will suck it out of your drop, (just like air). This is particularly annoying with detergents, which are almost all soluble in oil. I've always thought that maybe some synthetic

Re: [ccp4bb] freezing crystals grown in isopropanol condition

2010-04-09 Thread Scott Pegan
Nat, A few years ago I had K channel crystals that formed under similar conditions. I found that using MPD as a cryo-protectant worked best. As for the evaporation issue, I had a little extra time as I was performing the mounting in a cold room. Scott Pegan S, Arrabit C, Zhou W, Kwiatkowski