Re: [ccp4bb] moelcular replacement with large cell

2009-07-16 Thread Eleanor Dodson
Self rotation is not very clear - and the top peaks are almost certainly generated partly by the high crystallographic symmmetry. Things to check: 1) native Patterson - is there a non-crystallographic translation? ctruncate checks this for you. 2) twinning - if there is a non-crystallographic

Re: [ccp4bb] moelcular replacement with large cell

2009-07-15 Thread Lijun Liu
Hi Frank, Off from the original topic but important to clarify. If I misled the concepts, I apologize. Outer shell Rmerge will always be very high: -- True! Especially when I/Sig ~ 1 or less. Only I/sigI (and completeness, although it's related) is really relevant for deciding

Re: [ccp4bb] moelcular replacement with large cell

2009-07-15 Thread Robert Esnouf
Dear Wei, The unit-cell dimensions are certainly not excessive, we recently published the 2.8A 27kDa uridylate kinase structure from B. anthracis whose crystals were P6122, a=b=87, c=384 with three UK in the ASU. As you are apparently not seeing any self rotation peaks, have you looked for a t

Re: [ccp4bb] moelcular replacement with large cell

2009-07-15 Thread Ian Tickle
I'm not clear what is the reasoning here behind using a low res cutoff for the SRF (i.e. lower than the data limit). It seems to me that using all valid data available can only increase the signal/noise ratio, and omitting good data can only have a deleterious effect (as will any kind of data i

Re: [ccp4bb] moelcular replacement with large cell

2009-07-15 Thread Frank von Delft
Um, can't resist here (although not directly relevant to the original question): 1) Your dataset has a high overall Rmerge. The outmost shell (70%) is very high, which suggests a need to shrink resolution. What about I/s(I), redundancy and completeness? Also, how many reflections (percentage

Re: [ccp4bb] moelcular replacement with large cell

2009-07-14 Thread Wei Zhang
Dear Perrakis, The R merge of the lowest resolution shell is 0.08. The matthews' analysisi is below: For estimated molecular weight 78750. Nmol/asym Matthews Coeff %solvent P(2.90) P(tot) ___ 1 7.9084.45 0.00 0.00 2

Re: [ccp4bb] moelcular replacement with large cell

2009-07-14 Thread Anastassis Perrakis
Hi all - On 15 Jul 2009, at 7:03, Lijun Liu wrote: Hello dear Wei, 1) Your dataset has a high overall Rmerge. The outmost shell (70%) is very high, which suggests a need to shrink resolution. What about I/s(I), redundancy and completeness? Also, how many reflections (percentage) have

Re: [ccp4bb] moelcular replacement with large cell

2009-07-14 Thread Lijun Liu
Hello dear Wei, 1) Your dataset has a high overall Rmerge. The outmost shell (70%) is very high, which suggests a need to shrink resolution. What about I/ s(I), redundancy and completeness? Also, how many reflections (percentage) have been subjected to rejection? Too many rejections ma

Re: [ccp4bb] moelcular replacement with large cell

2009-07-14 Thread Wei Zhang
Dears, I am sorry for not saying it clearly. By looking at the 00l lines and by Phenix.xtrige, it is probable P6122 or P6522. In the molecular replacement searching, I have set to search all the possible of space group of P622 in Phaser and Molrep. But all the trials failed. My model is the structu

Re: [ccp4bb] moelcular replacement with large cell

2009-07-14 Thread Ho Leung Ng
Are you sure you're using the right space group? For example, what does phenix.xtriage suggest for your space group? Ho Confometrx

[ccp4bb] moelcular replacement with large cell

2009-07-14 Thread Wei Zhang
Dears, I am doing molecular replacement of a protein complex with a P622 data set with large cell parameters (a=b=135, c=480). The data set seems well. R merge is 0.17 for all and 0.70 for the last shell of 2.9 angstrom. I am not sure it is a complex in the crystal. Phenix analysis reveal there is