Re: [ccp4bb] tCNS and space group determination

2018-08-13 Thread Harry Powell
Hi Marcelo One thing to try if you have access to a microfocus beamline would be to try to collect data from part of the crystal and hope that you hit a single lattice with the beam. Sometimes the different lattices are in different parts of the physical object in the beam. Recollecting the

Re: [ccp4bb] tCNS and space group determination

2018-08-13 Thread Eleanor Dodson
You could try the dials data processing - it tries to address the problems of multiple lattices.. Eleanor On 13 August 2018 at 08:59, Paul Adams wrote: > Hi Marcelo, > > based on this image it looks like you have multiple (two) lattices, > which puts spots very close together. This could be

Re: [ccp4bb] tCNS and space group determination

2018-08-13 Thread Paul Adams
Hi Marcelo, based on this image it looks like you have multiple (two) lattices, which puts spots very close together. This could be a split crystal as Eleanor suggested, or a feature of the way the crystals grow. It seems unlikely that you’d be able to integrate these lattices well, given

Re: [ccp4bb] tCNS and space group determination

2018-08-12 Thread Randy Read
Hi, Looking at the pointless logfile for P222, there’s excellent evidence for a 2(1) screw along the shortest and longest cell edges as Eleanor says, which would make the space group P 21 2 21 for the data set used in the Phaser run with the data merged in P222. The merging statistics are

Re: [ccp4bb] tCNS and space group determination

2018-08-11 Thread Eleanor Dodson
Marcelo - there is something very wrong with the data. You dont to reprocess in other space groups - the P2/mmm symmetry looks convincing but PHASER says there are 3500 rejections! That is an awful lot - 10 is a more normal value. I cant see the image clearly but something is causing problems.

Re: [ccp4bb] tCNS and space group determination

2018-08-11 Thread Eleanor Dodson
This MR looks good to me, but there are serious flaws with the data. Your secon moment plot from the aimless log has most spectacular spikes which are always a BAD THING, and the Wilson plot is not very smooth either.. As Randy says, try to sort those problems out first. Then you have this

Re: [ccp4bb] tCNS and space group determination

2018-08-10 Thread Eleanor Dodson
Actually Marcelo - Refinement to an R of 41% is pretty good for an MR solution! On 10 August 2018 at 18:42, Eleanor Dodson wrote: > Can you attach the refinement log? > > Eleanor > > On 10 August 2018 at 16:57, Marcelo Liberato > wrote: > >> Dear Randy, >> >> Thank you very much for

Re: [ccp4bb] tCNS and space group determination

2018-08-10 Thread Eleanor Dodson
Can you attach the refinement log? Eleanor On 10 August 2018 at 16:57, Marcelo Liberato wrote: > Dear Randy, > > Thank you very much for answering. I followed your suggestions but, > unfortunately, I couldn't get a reasonable electron density map after MR > and refinement. > > > First I would

Re: [ccp4bb] tCNS and space group determination

2018-08-10 Thread Marcelo Liberato
Dear Randy, Thank you very much for answering. I followed your suggestions but, unfortunately, I couldn't get a reasonable electron density map after MR and refinement. First I would look at the data to see if you have ice rings, because the > peak in mean intensity and second moment of the

Re: [ccp4bb] tCNS and space group determination

2018-08-07 Thread Randy Read
Dear Marcelo, First I would look at the data to see if you have ice rings, because the peak in mean intensity and second moment of the intensity at about 2.25A resolution suggests an ice ring problem. If so, you should make sure you don't contaminate the data with spurious large intensities.