Re: [ccp4bb] twin, pseudosymmetry and NCS in P2/C2 ?

2023-03-24 Thread Eleanor Dodson
I am asked to test ZANADU which is meant to sort out spacegroup anomalies! Maybe your example can be the test case.. Eleanor On Fri, 24 Mar 2023 at 14:21, Gianluca Cioci wrote: > Hi Eleanor, Hi All, > > As suggested by Andrew (thanks!), I've switched off the NCS in Phaser and > this gave a solut

Re: [ccp4bb] twin, pseudosymmetry and NCS in P2/C2 ?

2023-03-24 Thread Gianluca Cioci
Hi Eleanor, Hi All, As suggested by Andrew (thanks!), I've switched off the NCS in Phaser and this gave a solution in C2 (a=66.2 b=83.9  c=66.2   90 98.7  90) that refines much better than the others (R=0.32/0.39). Still, I am not 100% convinced this is the correct cell/spacegroup... but it'

Re: [ccp4bb] twin, pseudosymmetry and NCS in P2/C2 ?

2023-03-21 Thread Eleanor Dodson
You have tried all spacegroups within point groups? P2 p21 c222 c2221?. On Wed, 22 Mar 2023 at 03:01, Lijun Liu wrote: > If data processing to be ok and all possible monoclinic and orthorombic SG > gave unreasonable high Rs, maybe good to give a try with p1 space group? > Since > the p-lattice

Re: [ccp4bb] twin, pseudosymmetry and NCS in P2/C2 ?

2023-03-21 Thread Lijun Liu
If data processing to be ok and all possible monoclinic and orthorombic SG gave unreasonable high Rs, maybe good to give a try with p1 space group?  Since the p-lattice indexing gave same a and  b also very close alpha and beta, it could not exclude the possibility of p1 then twinned (also together

Re: [ccp4bb] twin, pseudosymmetry and NCS in P2/C2 ?

2023-03-21 Thread Eleanor Dodson
cell 66.3 66.3 83.9 90.2 90.1 98.7. P2 or P21 cell Cell volume:364551.812 Data line--- cell 86.4 100.6 83.9 90.0 90.2 90.0. Cell volume double - C2 or C222 or C2221 cell Cell volume:729240.938. ie How many residues in your model? It is hard to decide much without

Re: [ccp4bb] twin, pseudosymmetry and NCS in P2/C2 ?

2023-03-21 Thread Jessica Bruhn
Hi Gianluca, Have you checked for diffraction anisotropy problems? It might be worth running it through the STARANISO webserver: https://staraniso.globalphasing.org/cgi-bin/staraniso.cgi. Anisotropy can make your data look twinned and elliptical truncation can help improve maps. Good luck! Best,

Re: [ccp4bb] twin, pseudosymmetry and NCS in P2/C2 ?

2023-03-21 Thread Jon Cooper
Hello, can you give us a screenshot of a diffraction image, with the caveat that they never look all that good with fine-slicing, still it might help ;-0 Also, an idea of the R-merge, R-meas, CC-half in some of those space groups. Best wishes, Jon Cooper. jon.b.coo...@protonmail.com Sent from P

[ccp4bb] twin, pseudosymmetry and NCS in P2/C2 ?

2023-03-21 Thread Gianluca Cioci
Dear All, I have collected a dataset from a small protein diffracting at 2.7A resolution, here is the space-group determination from XDS:  *  44    aP  0.0  66.3   66.3   83.9  90.2 90.1  98.7  *  31    aP  1.2  66.3   66.3   83.9  89.8  90.1 81.3  *  14