Re: [ccp4bb] two identical proteins in one asymmetric unit

2009-03-25 Thread Eleanor Dodson
Sang Hoon Joo wrote: I am refining my crystal structure in which I have two identical chains in one asymmetric unit. Space group is H32 and each chain yields me a biological trimer as expected. The problem is, do I have to assume they are identical, or they are really different. After each cycle

[ccp4bb] two identical proteins in one asymmetric unit

2009-03-24 Thread Sang Hoon Joo
I am refining my crystal structure in which I have two identical chains in one asymmetric unit. Space group is H32 and each chain yields me a biological trimer as expected. The problem is, do I have to assume they are identical, or they are really different. After each cycle of refinement, if I

Re: [ccp4bb] two identical proteins in one asymmetric unit

2009-03-24 Thread Folmer Fredslund
Dear Sang They are really different! And I guess you would probably want to use NCS restraints depending on your resolution. Regards, Folmer 2009/3/24 Sang Hoon Joo s...@duke.edu: I am refining my crystal structure in which I have two identical chains in one asymmetric unit. Space group is

Re: [ccp4bb] two identical proteins in one asymmetric unit

2009-03-24 Thread Jim Fairman
Sang Hoon, Each molecule in the asymmetric unit is most likely different. I work on a protein that crystallizes as a homodimer with 2 molecules per asymmetric unit and there are some differences between the two (eg: electron density visible for the 14 N-terminal residues in one molecule, but not

Re: [ccp4bb] two identical proteins in one asymmetric unit

2009-03-24 Thread Oliviero Carugo
Dear SHJ, there is no reason to expect that the 3D structure of two molecules within the same asymmetric unit are identical even if their chemical formula is identical. These two molecules experience slightly different crystal packing contacts are are expected to be different. Obviously, in

Re: [ccp4bb] two identical proteins in one asymmetric unit

2009-03-24 Thread cockburn
Hi Sang Hoon, You should do the refinement in BUSTER, which uses a novel method to impose NCS restraints. These restraints (called LSSR restraints) were designed specifically to provide an answer to your question in a systematic way, by comparing the local environments of corresponding

Re: [ccp4bb] two identical proteins in one asymmetric unit

2009-03-24 Thread Engin Ozkan
Sang, They are always different. But depending on your data/parameter ratio, you may be better of assuming they are similar (with NCS restraints) or even identical (with strict NCS). Ask to a friendly crystallographer around you when employing NCS is good for you. Crystallographers with high

Re: [ccp4bb] two identical proteins in one asymmetric unit

2009-03-24 Thread Skrzypczak-Jankun, Ewa
Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] two identical proteins in one asymmetric unit Sang Hoon, Each molecule in the asymmetric unit is most likely different. I work on a protein that crystallizes as a homodimer with 2 molecules per asymmetric unit and there are some differences between the two (eg: electron

Re: [ccp4bb] two identical proteins in one asymmetric unit

2009-03-24 Thread Roger Rowlett
o.edu/~ewa   From: CCP4 bulletin board [mailto:CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK] On Behalf Of Jim Fairman Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 11:25 AM To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] two identical proteins in one asymm

Re: [ccp4bb] two identical proteins in one asymmetric unit

2009-03-24 Thread Mischa Machius
[mailto:ccp...@jiscmail.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Jim Fairman Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 11:25 AM To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] two identical proteins in one asymmetric unit Sang Hoon, Each molecule in the asymmetric unit is most likely different. I work on a protein

Re: [ccp4bb] two identical proteins in one asymmetric unit

2009-03-24 Thread Ethan Merritt
proteins in one asymmetric unit Sang Hoon, Each molecule in the asymmetric unit is most likely different. I work on a protein that crystallizes as a homodimer with 2 molecules per asymmetric unit and there are some differences between the two (eg: electron density visible

Re: [ccp4bb] two identical proteins in one asymmetric unit

2009-03-24 Thread Phoebe Rice
Fairman Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 11:25 AM To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] two identical proteins in one asymmetric unit Sang Hoon, Each molecule in the asymmetric unit is most likely different. I work

Re: [ccp4bb] two identical proteins in one asymmetric unit

2009-03-24 Thread Tim Gruene
  From: CCP4 bulletin board [mailto:ccp...@jiscmail.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Jim Fairman Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 11:25 AM To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] two identical proteins in one asymmetric unit   Sang Hoon, Each