Re: [ccp4bb] unusually low B-factors

2014-02-28 Thread Eleanor Dodson
I think it may well be a problem with the scaling. It is hard to get a reasonable estimate of the Wilson B at 3A - especially in a small cell. Look at the Log Graph plots - one associated with R factor gives you and v resolution. They SHOULD overlap pretty well, but sometimes they dont and someti

[ccp4bb] unusually low B-factors

2014-02-27 Thread Paul Paukstelis
Greetings, We've been working on a number of related structures. Crystals are in P64 with fairly small unit cell (40,40,55) and only diffract to around 2.5-3.0, so we aren't working with a lot of reflections. For several of these data sets the maps look very reasonable but Refmac refinement g

Re: [ccp4bb] Unusually low B factors with phenix

2012-11-04 Thread mingzhu wang
Pavel, 1.8.1-1168 also has this problem. I found this problem existed with some dataset, but not all dataset. 1.8.1 give better map, so I built model with 1.8.1 map and go back to 1.7.3 before I deposit the structure to PDB. When I compared the B factor from 1.8.x and 1.7.3, I found B(1.7.3)=B(

Re: [ccp4bb] Unusually low B factors with phenix

2012-11-02 Thread Pavel Afonine
Joao, I am using the latest version of phenix 1.8.1-1168 1.8.1-1168 should not have that "problem". If you suspect there is still a problem, you can send me the data and model files off list, explain what exactly the problem is, and I will have a look right away. FYI: there is Phenix mailing l

Re: [ccp4bb] Unusually low B factors with phenix

2012-11-02 Thread Joao Dias
Hi, I am using the latest version of phenix 1.8.1-1168 for the MacOSX and I see a similar behaviour with the B-factors. Which version do you suggest to update to? There might be a problem with over-refinement and one workaround might be to limit the Rfree-R=0.05, but your Rfree will likely to incr

Re: [ccp4bb] Unusually low B factors with phenix

2012-11-02 Thread Jeffrey, Philip D.
That sounds like the bug in Phenix.refine v1.8 that a few of us encountered - updating to the latest release will help. Actually wasn't so much a bug but a "feature", albeit not the best one imaginable. Anyone using older v1.8 versions should update. --- Phil Jeffrey Princeton On Nov 2, 2012,

Re: [ccp4bb] Unusually low B factors with phenix

2012-11-02 Thread George Sheldrick
It could be a problem with your data, e.g. many overloaded reflections not being removed or F and F^2 mixed up. What is your Wilson B-value? George -- Prof. George M. Sheldrick FRS Dept. Structural Chemistry, University of Goettingen, Tammannstr. 4, D37077 Goettingen, Germany Tel. +49-551-39-30

Re: [ccp4bb] Unusually low B factors with phenix

2012-11-02 Thread Demetres D. Leonidas
Dear Tim, this affects all atoms and yes I did reset the B-factors to 20.00 prior to refinement. I have not tried REFMAC but now I will give it a try since phenix does not seem to do the job. best Demetres On 2/11/2012 1:34 μμ, Tim Gruene wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SH

Re: [ccp4bb] Unusually low B factors with phenix

2012-11-02 Thread Tim Gruene
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Dear Demetres, does this affect all atoms, or only a few selected ones? Did you compare with refmac5 (for e.g. input script errors), or did you reset the B-factors to a reasonable value (e.g. 20-30) prior to refinement? pdbset can do this convenientl

[ccp4bb] Unusually low B factors with phenix

2012-11-02 Thread Demetres D. Leonidas
Hello, I am experiencing a weird problem with B factor refinement (individual, isotropic) in phenix.refine (1.8.1.-1168) and a structure at 1.9 A resolution. The ADP values after the refinement are very very low, less than 2 and sometimes 0. I am getting the same result with and without opti

Re: [ccp4bb] Unusually low B factors after refinement

2010-05-07 Thread Miller, Mitchell D.
Regards, Mitch --- From: CCP4 bulletin board [mailto:ccp...@jiscmail.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Kyle Dolan Sent: Friday, May 07, 2010 3:12 PM To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Subject: [ccp4bb] Unusually low B factors after refinement Hello, I am trying to run restrained refinement with Refmac5 (v

[ccp4bb] Unusually low B factors after refinement

2010-05-07 Thread Kyle Dolan
Hello, I am trying to run restrained refinement with Refmac5 (version 5.5.0109), including refinement of isotropic temperature factors, and I am seeing some very unusual behavior by the program. In the output pdb file, nearly all of the individual atomic B factors have a value of 2.0! My data is o