Re: [ccp4bb] Charge flipping.

2010-05-24 Thread Kevin Cowtan
I played with this (coded from scratch, both simple algorithm and a few tweaks) for a couple of weeks for solving heavy atom substructures. With perfect FAs it works well and quickly. With real delta-F's it didn't work at all. Can't remember if I tried perfect delta-F's. Probably SUPERFLIP is

Re: [ccp4bb] Charge flipping.

2010-05-24 Thread George M. Sheldrick
I have also played with charge flipping and my experience was the same as Kevin's. Michael Woolfson once said that all 'direct' methods work fine with perfect data. The method requires expansion of the data to P1 which seems to degrade the quality of the solution; when the data are noisy, as is

Re: [ccp4bb] Charge flipping - PS.

2010-05-24 Thread George M. Sheldrick
Another reason why charge flipping may not work so well with real anomalous differences is that the data tend to be rather incomplete, for example all the centric reflections are missing. This degrades the quality of the resulting maps, which is more serious if you are modifying low densities

Re: [ccp4bb] molecular replacement

2010-05-24 Thread Eleanor Dodson
Hmm - that is odd. You may have the wrong SG in the mtz file. Try MOLREP or PHASER with the option to try all spacegroups consistewnt with the pointgroup. Eleanor intekhab alam wrote: Hi all I am trying to do molecular replacement with low resolution (4Å) using Molrep and Phaser. Overall

Re: [ccp4bb] Alignment software

2010-05-24 Thread Eleanor Dodson
Salameh, Mohd A., Ph.D. wrote: Dear All, I'm trying to prepare an alignment figure of 2 proteins that highlight conserved and similar residues and probably secondary structures; I will greatly appreciate it if anybody can recommend a software that I can use. Thanks, Mohd We found esprit very

Re: [ccp4bb] Fwd: calculate the real space R factor using OVERLAPMAP

2010-05-24 Thread Ian Tickle
Hi Pavel Phew! Lots of questions - this could take a while: - where this formula come from and what are the grounds for this? It's just the RMSD of the density divided by its standard uncertainty (sigma), which we're assuming is the same for all grid points: this isn't quite true, sigma is

[ccp4bb] question - GFP fusion - cleavage sites

2010-05-24 Thread Celina R.
Dear CCP4er's, Sorry for the non-crystallography related question and was hoping someone on the bulletin board might have some suggestions to overcome my peculiar protein purification problem. I am working on several membrane proteins (for crystallization trials) that have a C-Terminal eGFP

Re: [ccp4bb] Alignment software

2010-05-24 Thread Paul Mcewan
Title: Re: [ccp4bb] Alignment software I usually use Espript via the web interface. downloadable espript: http://espript.ibcp.fr/ESPript/ESPript/ or the web server: http://espript.ibcp.fr/ESPript/cgi-bin/ESPript.cgi hope it's of use, Paul.. ### Dr. Paul A.

Re: [ccp4bb] Finding best model for molecular replacement

2010-05-24 Thread David Schuller
Yes, you can try a sequence search of the PDB. But if your sequence matches only part of an existing entry, be aware there is a bug in the PDB sequence search so that it reports the wrong residue numbers for the existing entry. This bug has been reported to RCSB, but they apparently have not

Re: [ccp4bb] Finding best model for molecular replacement

2010-05-24 Thread Harry M. Greenblatt
BSD You can also use the OCA browser for FASTA searches of the PDB oca.weizmann.ac.il Harry On May 23, 2010, at 10:23 PM, Paul Lindblom wrote: Hi everybody, I just crystallized a new project protein. How can I find a possible model for using molecular replacement? I have the sequence

Re: [ccp4bb] Finding best model for molecular replacement

2010-05-24 Thread Paul Lindblom
The last molrep job just finished and it found only an odd solution. So I think I will try to get my phases elsewhere. But I am somewhat astonished that there are still enough cases you can't solve by MR. Thanks to all who replied. Here is a list of servers/programs to find a MR model:

Re: [ccp4bb] question - GFP fusion - cleavage sites

2010-05-24 Thread Pascal Egea
Hi Celina, I cannot answer to your question concerning the GFP-related problem. Fot the thrombin vs TEV protease related question I can tell you that in my hands thrombin works really very well in most detergents (TEV is somehow more sensitive). I am working on membrane proteins purified in very

Re: [ccp4bb] Finding best model for molecular replacement

2010-05-24 Thread Gerard Bricogne
Dear Paul, Thank you for initiating this thread, for so carefully evaluating the suggestions you received, and for reporting the outcome. Your astonishment gives renewed motivation to people who believe it is still worthwhile continuing to push the frontiers of experimental phasing and

Re: [ccp4bb] Finding best model for molecular replacement

2010-05-24 Thread Jürgen Bosch
You've also applied BRAIN 2.0 ? I mean looked at homologous structures, superimposed them and decided which parts are to be removed ? Never trust programs :-) There could be a flexible alpha helix which if you removed it would have given you in all programs a solution. it's Monday, Jürgen

Re: [ccp4bb] Charge flipping.

2010-05-24 Thread Christian Dumas
Dear all, We have tested the Charge Flipping algorithm with SUPERFLIP program on various experimental data (anomalous delta-F's, MAD FA's). see http://www.cbs.cnrs.fr/SP/crystal/SUPERFLIP/ Dumas, van der Lee, Acta Cryst D64, 864-73 In all successfull trials, a good quality substructure is

[ccp4bb] TEV cleavage problems

2010-05-24 Thread Matthew Merski
Hello all, I am working with a protein that is expressed as with an N-terminal domain that is normally cleaved for activation of the protein (and crystallization). For in vitro reasons I've needed to switch the normal site to a TEV site. However, even though the TEV site is in the same place as

Re: [ccp4bb] TEV cleavage problems

2010-05-24 Thread Chun Luo
Hi Matthew, TEV is probably the least robust protease among those commonly used for tag removal. Here’s a common unit definition of TEV. One unit (corresponding to 0.1 ug TurboTEV) cleaves ≥85% of 3 μg control substrate in 1 hour at 30C. You need to use really a lot of TEV. Information

Re: [ccp4bb] question - GFP fusion - cleavage sites

2010-05-24 Thread chern
Why do you need a fusion protein? Can you use His-tag directly? If you have to have a fusion protein, use one that has no hydrophobic patches on the surface, because otherwise they will be glued to each other. For separation of your mixture that you have now try dilute it as much as possible (

Re: [ccp4bb] TEV cleavage problems

2010-05-24 Thread xiaohu mei
Hi Matthew, TEV protease is very robust. I normally digest with 1:100 ratio according to the OD280. I normally digest at 4C for overnight around 16-18 hours. Make sure your tev protease site are not inaccessible and buried inside. best Xiaohu On Mon, May 24, 2010 at 12:27 PM, Matthew Merski

Re: [ccp4bb] TEV cleavage problems

2010-05-24 Thread Matthew Merski
Ok, to sum up for the board, a good reference for this problem is at: http://mcl1.ncifcrf.gov/waugh_tech/faq/tev.pdf Thanks to everyone who responded. Matthew On Mon, May 24, 2010 at 9:27 AM, Matthew Merski mer...@blur.compbio.ucsf.edu wrote: Hello all, I am working with a protein

Re: [ccp4bb] TEV cleavage problems

2010-05-24 Thread Engin Ozkan
Hi Matthew, By now, you have received many posts telling you both how efficient and inefficient TEVp is. You might be confused. This seeming contradiction can be explained by a few events, among many others: Inaccessibility of cleavage site, absence of reducing agents, and presence of

[ccp4bb] Can CCP4 print the sigma level of the electron density at each residue or atom center?

2010-05-24 Thread Hailiang Zhang
Hi, Phenix.model_vs_data offers a great function which prints out the sigma level of the electron density at each residue or atom center. This is very useful comparing the relative density between two maps at the given region, however, it is running a little bit slow. I am just wondering whether

Re: [ccp4bb] Can CCP4 print the sigma level of the electron density at each residue or atom center?

2010-05-24 Thread Pavel Afonine
Hi Hailiang, phenix.model_vs_data should normally run fast enough. If it is not the case please send me the inputs and I will have a look (if you decide to send the files please do so to my email address and not to the whole BB). Pavel. On 5/24/10 2:14 PM, Hailiang Zhang wrote: Hi,

[ccp4bb] refrigerated shakers, redux

2010-05-24 Thread Patrick Loll
Hi all, Here is a summary of the responses to my inquiry about refrigerated shakers: Virtually all respondents advocated shakers manufactured by New Brunswick Scientific. I have rarely encountered such unanimity in this forum. The only exceptions were three votes for shakers of Swiss

Re: [ccp4bb] Can CCP4 print the sigma level of the electron density at each residue or atom center?

2010-05-24 Thread Edward A. Berry
If you already have your map, or if you can calculate the map in CCP4, you can print out density at atoms using the Uppsala program MAPMAN, function PEEK: http://xray.bmc.uu.se/usf/mapman_man.html#S30 hth Hailiang Zhang wrote: Hi, Phenix.model_vs_data offers a great function which prints out

Re: [ccp4bb] Finding best model for molecular replacement

2010-05-24 Thread Ashley Buckle
This is generally a good idea, but removal of residues is a subjective process, and a little trial and error. If your sequence searching finds multiple search models you can superimpose them and systematically remove the poorer fitting regions based upon RMSD. We have built a server for this

Re: [ccp4bb] question - GFP fusion - cleavage sites

2010-05-24 Thread Ho Leung Ng
What did you see on your ion exchange and gel filtration chromatographs? ho

Re: [ccp4bb] Can CCP4 print the sigma level of the electron density at each residue or atom center?

2010-05-24 Thread Hailiang Zhang
Dear Edward: I generated two maps in the same way, load them in MAPMAN, then normalize them and PE VA them. I think after normalization, the out put electron density value at each atom should be equal to the sigma. Now the problem is, the output denisty values seems squeezed in the pdb file

Re: [ccp4bb] Alignment software

2010-05-24 Thread Charlie Bond
Hi Victor, Thanks for recommending ALINE. It is not exactly true that development has stopped. It is just glacially slow as funding for such utilities is not easily obtained! Recommendations for improvements (to improve that potential) are well-received and a keen user can write their own

Re: [ccp4bb] Can CCP4 print the sigma level of the electron density at each residue or atom center?

2010-05-24 Thread Edward A. Berry
Hailiang Zhang wrote: Dear Edward: I generated two maps in the same way, load them in MAPMAN, then normalize them and PE VA them. I think after normalization, the out put electron density value at each atom should be equal to the sigma. That was fast! Yes, normalization should give the readout

Re: [ccp4bb] Can CCP4 print the sigma level of the electron density at each residue or atom center?

2010-05-24 Thread Edward A. Berry
Edward A. Berry wrote: peak val m1 pdb.pdb That should be peek - not peak!

Re: [ccp4bb] Fwd: calculate the real space R factor using OVERLAPMAP

2010-05-24 Thread Pavel Afonine
Hi Ian, thanks for very detailed reply! - do you think it is better than looking at three values {map CC, 2mFo-DFc, mFo-DFc} and why? Yes, because all the information you need is encapsulated in 1 number per region of interest! I agree it's a good reason. But I don't understand