Re: [ccp4bb] Phasing statistics

2010-04-14 Thread Eleanor Dodson
I dont want to comment much on the science behind FOM estimates - as James points out after exptl phasing alone many reflections are effectively unphased - if the FH/ FA for a reflection are very small then you have no phase estimate at all, and if the F+ F- or FP FPH measurements are weak any

Re: [ccp4bb] To model or not to model...

2010-04-14 Thread Eleanor Dodson
In this lab there are as many takes on this as there are crystallographers I think! It seems to depend on personality - are you a wild optimist who traces connectivity at 0.5 Sigma - or a cautious soul who hates to be wrong.. It seems to me that there are often disordered regions we can never

Re: [ccp4bb] To model or not to model...

2010-04-14 Thread Paul Emsley
Eleanor Dodson wrote: In this lab there are as many takes on this as there are crystallographers I think! It seems to depend on personality - are you a wild optimist who traces connectivity at 0.5 Sigma - or a cautious soul who hates to be wrong.. Blimey, I think it's the other way round.

Re: [ccp4bb] Phasing statistics

2010-04-14 Thread MARTYN SYMMONS
I agree this is very interesting - The 'real' FOM is a great idea (we should start a campaign for real FOMs!) What the 'real' FOM is trying to get at is the quality of the initial experimental map. This could also be subsequently calculated for NCS-averaged and density-modified maps

[ccp4bb] Hydrogen Bond Restraints

2010-04-14 Thread Bradley Hintze
I am looking for published examples where hydrogen bond restraints were helpful in refinement. Can anyone point me to some papers? -- Bradley J. Hintze Graduate Student Duke University School of Medicine 801-712-8799

[ccp4bb] blt2.4z in ubuntu 10.04

2010-04-14 Thread hari jayaram
Hi I installed ccp4-6.1.3 on an ubuntu 10.04 beta box. It does not have bltwish and I was trying to install it using gcc 4.4.3 on a 64 bit ubuntu machine The known patches for getting blt2.4z are already applied to the source , the documented problems on the ccp4i problems page are also as they

Re: [ccp4bb] Hydrogen Bond Restraints

2010-04-14 Thread Dirk Kostrewa
Dear Bradley, a recent refinement of a protein complex at 4.3 A was stabilized by using hydrogen bond restraints in secondary structures [1] (described in the supplementary material). Subjectively, the additional restraints had a small positive effect on the electron density interpretability

[ccp4bb] CCP4 workshop at the ACA

2010-04-14 Thread charles . ballard
Dear All. A bit of publicity for a CCP4 workshop at the ACA. Garib Murshudov and Paul Emsley are giving talks. Ronan Keegan, Stuart McNicholas and myself will also be there giving overviews of the suite and CCP4MG (in it's new QT guise) Charles Ballard CCP4 WK4: Getting the Most out of the

Re: [ccp4bb] blt2.4z in ubuntu 10.04

2010-04-14 Thread Tim Gruene
Dear Hari, blt is, as far as I know, pretty deprecated and probably not updated anymore. It also depends on tcl/tk version 8.4, not version 8.5 which is installed on your system. Maybe you can try to downgrade and recompile. Another, simpler way might be the following which works on the last 4

Re: [ccp4bb] Phasing statistics

2010-04-14 Thread Ian Tickle
I have to say that I don't share James' enthusiasm for the FOM as a useful statistic, even for experimental phases, and particularly not in the SAD (and SIR) cases, which after all is what this thread is supposed to be about. This is even without delving further into the murky issues of wildly

Re: [ccp4bb] blt2.4z in ubuntu 10.04

2010-04-14 Thread hari jayaram
Hi Tim, Thanks a tonne Tim for the pointer on how bltwish is handled in debian. A symlink from /usr/bin/wish to /usr/bin/bltwish. Seems to at-least start ccp4i. Now to see if it will also plot my graphs Hari On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 10:23 AM, Tim Gruene t...@shelx.uni-ac.gwdg.de wrote: Dear

Re: [ccp4bb] To model or not to model...

2010-04-14 Thread Ed Pozharski
Katherine, all good questions and all discussed previously on this very discussion board. My personal opinion did not change much since 2007: http://www.dl.ac.uk/list-archive-public/ccp4bb/msg19777.html although I would probably amend couple of minor things. As for riding hydrogens, take a

[ccp4bb] bacillus protein expression

2010-04-14 Thread Amit Kumar
Hi all, Sorry for a non-ccp4 query. I will highly appreciate your comments on the expression: I am trying to express HIS tagged ~60 kDa cytosolic protein from Bacillus in E.coli pET expression system. I tried codon+ strain, time of expression and various temperatures ( 18, 25, 30, 37C) for

Re: [ccp4bb] Hydrogen Bond Restraints

2010-04-14 Thread Donnie Berkholz
On 09:41 Wed 14 Apr , Bradley Hintze wrote: I am looking for published examples where hydrogen bond restraints were helpful in refinement. Can anyone point me to some papers? Try this one: An improved hydrogen bond potential: Impact on medium resolution protein structures. Felcy Fabiola,

Re: [ccp4bb] Hydrogen Bond Restraints

2010-04-14 Thread Pavel Afonine
Or Andrei's PhD thesis: http://rna.ucsc.edu/~andrei/korostelev_disser.PDF which as far as I recall contains some more technical details. Pavel. On 4/14/10 12:49 PM, Donnie Berkholz wrote: On 09:41 Wed 14 Apr , Bradley Hintze wrote: I am looking for published examples where hydrogen

Re: [ccp4bb] bacillus protein expression

2010-04-14 Thread Christian Roth
Hi, you did not mention if you just look for soluble expression. However you could try an other fusion construct like MBP or GST-Tag to check if the RNA do some strange things (secondary structures). There are more strains available. For some unknown reason some strains work some not.

Re: [ccp4bb] Lysine methylation for proteins containing disulfide bonds?

2010-04-14 Thread Engin Ozkan
I was surprised to get a few messages asking for our protocol for reductive methylation of proteins for crystallization. We employ almost exactly the protocol published by Walter et al, Structure, 2006. This is a Ways and Means article that made us realize how easy it was to do this regularly

[ccp4bb] d*TREK Data Processing Webinar

2010-04-14 Thread Angela Criswell
Dear colleagues, I would like to draw your attention to an upcoming educational webinar that will cover data processing with d*TREK. This webinar is the 4th in the previously posted webinar series to cover X-ray diffraction data processing packages. Next week's webinar, presented by Jim

[ccp4bb] Cryo Vs crystal size

2010-04-14 Thread syed ibrahim
Hi All I had two crystals grown in same well, one is small and other is 10 times bigger. I treated both crystal in same cryo and same time. The smaller one diffracted to 2.5A and the bigger one to 6-7A. I was expecting the bigger one to diffract high resolution. I assume the bigger crystal

Re: [ccp4bb] Cryo Vs crystal size

2010-04-14 Thread Jürgen Bosch
There are a couple of additional factors not taken into account here. 1. LN2 versus frozen in strem or propane etc 2. did you try to flash anneal the larger crystal 3. smeary diffraction from the big crystal or not ? 4. how much residual solvent was around your crystal when freezing ? In general

Re: [ccp4bb] Cryo Vs crystal size

2010-04-14 Thread W H
50% solvent content in a small crystal is still 50% solvent content in a large crystal given the same crystal form, so it's tough to use that to explain loss of diffraction. Very large crystals in my hands seem to suffer from more problems of mechanical stress. William On Wed, Apr 14, 2010

Re: [ccp4bb] Cryo Vs crystal size

2010-04-14 Thread Roger Rowlett
I agree. Large crystals often diffract more poorly than smaller ones. I would hazard a guess that large crystals may experience more mechanical distortion during flash cooling, but it's just a guess. In our lab, the sweet spot for most of our crystals is 0.3-0.4 mm. Larger is usually worse, and

Re: [ccp4bb] Cryo Vs crystal size

2010-04-14 Thread Ho Leung Ng
Like others have pointed out, I've often found very large crystals ( 0.4 mm) to not diffract as well, either due to growth defects or poor cryoprotection. How large are the crystals you're talking about? You could try chipping a piece off your large crystal and see how well that diffracts. ho

[ccp4bb] Peptide Binding Register Determination Software

2010-04-14 Thread Jacob Keller
Dear Crystallographers, I am trying to determine the binding register of a helical peptide into a binding groove of a protein of known structure. There are several known peptide-protein complex structures of this protein in the PDB (each containing the same protein but different peptides).

Re: [ccp4bb] Cryo Vs crystal size

2010-04-14 Thread syed ibrahim
Dear Jurgen and Ho Leung To add few more point regarding my question: 1. Crystal was first  frozen in LN2 and then transfered to cryo stream (in presence of LN2 in vial) 2. Anealing did not help (both short time and long time) -  perhaps the crystal dies. 3.  Spots are clear to available

Re: [ccp4bb] Rejected posting to CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK

2010-04-14 Thread William G. Scott
Yo Hari: The symbolic link won't solve the problem. I managed to scrape together a blt for tcltk 8.5 on OSX, so it is possible. Most of the hacks in turn came from a different Linux distro (gentoo) so it should be possible on ubuntu. Here by the way is the patch:

Re: [ccp4bb] bacillus protein expression

2010-04-14 Thread Artem Evdokimov
1. look up Bacillus megaterium expression system (commercial, pretty cheap relatively easy). It's easier to use than some of the integration-based B. subtilis systems. Or you could ask around for a suitable B.sut. shuttle vector as an alternative. 2. Bacillus codon set is heavily biased towards