[ccp4bb] Resolution and distance accuracies

2010-12-23 Thread Nicholas keep
We clearly have confidence in distance measurements in crystal structures of an order of magnitude better than the resolution ie 0.1-0.3 Angstroms, but can anyone point me to a more exact theory of distance accuracy compared to optical resolution, preferably one that would apply to microscopy

Re: [ccp4bb] Resolution and distance accuracies

2010-12-23 Thread John R Helliwell
Dear Nick I think the point here is more the precision achieved via the fitting of atom positions according to the gradient of the electron density. There is obviously an overall link of the detail of/in this gradient to the measurable diffraction resolution, which can be estimated in a number of

Re: [ccp4bb] Resolution and distance accuracies

2010-12-23 Thread Ian Tickle
Hi Nick The 0.1 to 0.3 Ang range you quote obviously only applies to the kind of atoms we as macromolecular crystallographers are interested in, i.e. mostly carbon with some nitrogen oxygen, and also at the 'typical' data resolution and B factors that we observe. For hydrogen it would obviously

[ccp4bb] SDS and IMAC

2010-12-23 Thread Jacob Keller
Dear Crystallographers, I am interested in doing a type of pull-down experiment by immobilizing protein X on IMAC resin, flowing a large volume of dilute lysate containing protein Y over it, then adding some concentrated agent (solid SDS perhaps) to some more of the same lysate, and running that

Re: [ccp4bb] SDS and IMAC

2010-12-23 Thread Preben Morth
Hi Jacob Why not try with urea and for this type of studies I would probably use batch with the IMAC resin and not run the samples over a column. cheers Preben On 23/12/2010, at 16.11, Jacob Keller wrote: Dear Crystallographers, I am interested in doing a type of pull-down experiment

Re: [ccp4bb] Mg2+ or water

2010-12-23 Thread Guenter Fritz
Hi, you might have a look into the papers of MM Harding. There is a series of papers about metal ions in X-ray structures in Acta D. Look at the number of coordination, geometry and distances. Then you can easily decide whether there is a metal ion and which metal ion it might be. And of course

[ccp4bb] phosphatase construct

2010-12-23 Thread Brett, Thomas
Hello: I am making a kinase in e.coli that seems to autophosphorylate itself a bit, which makes it difficult to get a pure homogeneous sample for crystallization. I would like to use a phosphatase to remove the abberant phosphorylation. I have seen lambda phosphatase used for this type of thing

Re: [ccp4bb] Resolution and distance accuracies

2010-12-23 Thread Ian Tickle
This posting concerning positional precision prompted me to recall a CCP4 meeting (not a recent one) where a well-known crystallographer (who shall remain nameless - present company excepted BTW - AFAIK the crystallographer in question has never posted to this BB) claimed that an atom with a B

Re: [ccp4bb] SDS and IMAC

2010-12-23 Thread Jacob Keller
In my experience, either urea or guanidinium crashes out in gels. I can't remember--which one is it? I am thinking guanidinium. (If the answer to this email saves one grad student from the aggravation of such a phenomenon, it will have been worth it...) JPK On Thu, Dec 23, 2010 at 9:31 AM,

Re: [ccp4bb] SDS and IMAC

2010-12-23 Thread Dima Klenchin
In my experience, either urea or guanidinium crashes out in gels. I can't remember--which one is it? I am thinking guanidinium. (If the answer to this email saves one grad student from the aggravation of such a phenomenon, it will have been worth it...) It's GuHCl and what crashes is dodecyl

Re: [ccp4bb] Resolution and distance accuracies

2010-12-23 Thread Bernhard Rupp (Hofkristallrat a.D.)
can anyone point me to a more exact theory of distance accuracy compared to optical resolution, preferably one that would apply to microscopy as well. Stenkamp RE, Jensen LH (1984) Resolution revisited: limit of detail in electron density maps. Acta Crystallogr. A40(3), 251-254. MX, BR

Re: [ccp4bb] Resolution and distance accuracies

2010-12-23 Thread Ronald E Stenkamp
Something related to the results in the 1984 paper, but never published, is that the calculated electron density for an atom with a B of 100 Angstroms**2 is so flat that you wonder how those atoms can be seen in electron density maps. Ron On Thu, 23 Dec 2010, Bernhard Rupp (Hofkristallrat

[ccp4bb] FW: [ccp4bb] Resolution and distance accuracies

2010-12-23 Thread Bernhard Rupp (Hofkristallrat a.D.)
Oops I am outdated: Axel just emailed me that he describes an improved coordinate estimate beyond the Rayleigh criterion in his recent paper Schroder GF, Levitt M, Brunger AT (2010) Super-resolution biomolecular crystallography with low-resolution data. Nature 464(7292), 1218-1222. For the

Re: [ccp4bb] Resolution and distance accuracies

2010-12-23 Thread Bernhard Rupp (Hofkristallrat a.D.)
electron density for an atom with a B of 100 Angstroms**2 is so flat that you wonder how those atoms can be seen in electron density maps Hmmthen there would not be any low resolution structures: Say you have a low resolution structure, 3.5 A with a mean B of ~100A2 or so. Then on

[ccp4bb] From 7 to 70,000: The PDB Reaches a New Milestone (fwd)

2010-12-23 Thread Gerard DVD Kleywegt
Cross-posted from pdb-l --Gerard -- Forwarded message -- Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2010 15:35:10 -0500 From: Christine Zardecki zarde...@rcsb.rutgers.edu To: pd...@rcsb.org Subject: pdb-l: From 7 to 70,000: The PDB Reaches a New Milestone From 7 to 70,000: The PDB Reaches a New

Re: [ccp4bb] FW: [ccp4bb] Resolution and distance accuracies

2010-12-23 Thread Gerard Bricogne
Dear Bernhard, I must say that I find the super-resolution claims in this paper a bit of a conjuring trick. If the final refined model has greater accuracy than one would expect from the resolution of the data it has been refined against, it is because that extra accuracy has been lifted

Re: [ccp4bb] FW: [ccp4bb] Resolution and distance accuracies

2010-12-23 Thread Jacob Keller
Extrapolating to the infinite, I wonder how super-resolution fits into MD models or structure predictions? Jacob On Thu, Dec 23, 2010 at 5:04 PM, Gerard Bricogne g...@globalphasing.com wrote: Dear Bernhard,     I must say that I find the super-resolution claims in this paper a bit of a

Re: [ccp4bb] FW: [ccp4bb] Resolution and distance accuracies

2010-12-23 Thread Axel Brunger
Dear Gerard, Actually, for some of the tests we turned off the DEN network restraints for the last two refinement macrocycles, so, at least for these particular cases, the DEN method truly found a better minimum rather than forcing the system to the higher resolution structure. Cheers, Axel

Re: [ccp4bb] Working with ribosomes

2010-12-23 Thread mahua gupta
HI This is an off-topic question. I have recently started working with ribosomes. I do not have any experience as such. Inorder to check whether the ribosome I purify is functional, Can anyone please suggest some assay which does not require the usage of radioactive material? Thanks a