Re: [ccp4bb] number of cycles in refmac

2011-08-25 Thread Pavel Afonine
> Point #2 would hold if we routinely let our refinements run to > convergence; seems common though to run "10 cycles" or "50 cycles" instead > and draw conclusions from the behaviour of the metrics. Are the conclusions > really much different from the comparison-at-convergence you advocate? > Wh

Re: [ccp4bb] number of cycles in refmac

2011-08-25 Thread Frank von Delft
Hi Ian (Yes, your technical point about semantics is correct, I meant over-fitting.) To pin down your points, though, you're saying: 1) Don't use Rfree, instead look at LLfree or Hamilton Rfree. 2) Compare only the final values at convergence when choosing between different parametriz

[ccp4bb] Web Seminar: An Insider's Guide to CrystalClear and d*TREK: Improve Your Results with these New Features and Tips

2011-08-25 Thread Angela Criswell
Dear colleagues, I would like to draw your attention to an upcoming free, educational webinar to be presented by Jim Pflugrath, Ph. D. titled "An Insider's Guide to CrystalClear and d*TREK: Improve Your Results with these New Features and Tips". In this webinar, Jim will discuss three important

[ccp4bb] Fwd: Re: [ccp4bb] co-crystallization

2011-08-25 Thread Roger Rowlett
Successful complexation depends on the concentration of protein, ligand, and the Kd of the protein-ligand complex. For Kd>>[protein], you will probably require [ligand] > 10 x Kd. As Kd approaches [protein], slightly superstoichiometric quantities will be sufficient f

[ccp4bb] 2nd MX User Workshop at Diamond - September 7th-8th, 2011

2011-08-25 Thread Thomas Sorensen
Dear All I quick reminder - last chance to sign up for the 2nd MX User Workshop at Diamond - the workshop is part of the Synchrotron User Meeting, September 7th-8th, 2011. Workshop sessions include presentations from staff and users on latest developments, spectroscopy, crystal dehydration and

Re: [ccp4bb] loop building with ARP/wARP

2011-08-25 Thread Victor Lamzin
Dear Greg, Try ARP/wARP 7.2, released a few days ago, which is better, more stable and should have improved flash of error messages to the log files. ARP/wARP Loopy will not build a 33-residue loop at once, but Classic model building may get the gap shortened. Go to www.arp-warp.org for

Re: [ccp4bb] Aging PEGs

2011-08-25 Thread R. M. Garavito
Time to start digging in the archives. Try looking at work by Fran Jurnak in 1986 (J. Cryst. Growth 76, 577) and Bill Ray's work in 1985 (Analytical Biochem 146, 307), and then the works that cite them. I thought this was common knowledge, but I guess it goes in phases. Aging of poly(olig

Re: [ccp4bb] merge chains in coot

2011-08-25 Thread Herman . Schreuder
Calculate - Merge Molecules Herman -Original Message- From: CCP4 bulletin board [mailto:CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK] On Behalf Of jab Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2011 4:09 PM To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Subject: [ccp4bb] merge chains in coot Hi I've tried to find where to merge chains in coot,

[ccp4bb] merge chains in coot

2011-08-25 Thread jab
Hi I've tried to find where to merge chains in coot, eg merge built co-factor to protein chain, or merge all my ions (Na, Cl, Mg etc) together. Any pointers? Thanks Jim Brannigan

Re: [ccp4bb] co-crystallization

2011-08-25 Thread Prince, D Bryan
Dear TY, Typically between 5-10x molar concentration over the protein is enough to ensure binding when the IC50 is uM to low mM. For tighter binding compounds (nM to low uM), 2-5x is sufficient. Whatever you do, when the precipitate occurs DO NOT REMOVE it. I learned to my chagrin that you ch

Re: [ccp4bb] co-crystallization

2011-08-25 Thread Annie Hassell
Hi YT- We normally prepare our ligand stocks in DMSO and add this to the protein in 3-fold molar excess. The majority of our ligands are quite insoluble and precipitate when the DMSO concentration decreases upon addition to the protein... so I am not surprised that you are seeing this. I

[ccp4bb] loop building with ARP/wARP

2011-08-25 Thread Gregory Bowman
Hi all, I have a large disordered loop (33aa) for a 2.0 Å dataset for which the rest of the structure is well-defined, and phases are decent (Rwork=19.6, Rfree=24.6). I can see some broken up density at one end, but have been unable to convincingly build into into this region manually. I would

Re: [ccp4bb] number of cycles in refmac

2011-08-25 Thread Ian Tickle
Hi Frank > This is self-evident; what is not obvious is why the target function should be having the final word. Wasn't the word "over-refinement" introduced to describe exactly this: that the target function was wrong? I assumed people were confusing 'over-refinement' with 'over-fitting'; the

Re: [ccp4bb] number of cycles in refmac

2011-08-25 Thread Frank von Delft
Hmm, I used to think I understood this, but I'm feeling a bit dim right now. On 25/08/2011 11:07, Ian Tickle wrote: Since the target function in MX refinement is the total likelihood (working set + restraints), there's no reason whatsoever why any another function, such as Rfree & LLfree, shou

Re: [ccp4bb] number of cycles in refmac

2011-08-25 Thread Ian Tickle
TIm, I dare say that the goal is to get phases which match as good as > possible with what is inside the crystal. If this coincides with > maximising the likelihood, why don't we run refinement until the LL > stabilises? > That's exactly what you should do: any optimisation procedure attains the

Re: [ccp4bb] Creating CIF Files and Renaming Ligands

2011-08-25 Thread Ai Fen Chai
Hi all, Thanks for the suggestions! Anyway, the problems have been fixed! When I edited the CIF files in a mac editor, the file formatting got changed, so a line feed became a carriage return and Coot does not like this as to it they appear to be different files. The CIF files were fixed by using

Re: [ccp4bb] number of cycles in refmac

2011-08-25 Thread Garib N Murshudov
Hello Tim It was in one or two versions and I did not get consistent results. However code is there and I can activate it if you want. If you know what criteria you would like to use I can code that also. In some cases it happens that R/Rfree go up and then they start coming down. It may be ca

[ccp4bb] Melting point and heat of fusion

2011-08-25 Thread Kristof Van Hecke
Dear, We're wondering what tools there are available in order to estimate the 'melting point' and 'heat of fusion' from a known crystal structure (e.g. coordinate file)..? It concerns mostly small molecules (> 100 atoms). Many thanks Kristof --- Kristof Van

Re: [ccp4bb] Creating CIF Files and Renaming Ligands

2011-08-25 Thread Nicholas Keep
Did you rename the ligand in the CIF file as well? It would be nice if the Prodrg interface allowed you to type in the name of the ligand you want in the CIF and PDB file. Hopefully a global replace in your favourite text editor of DRG with LIG or whatever you want to call your ligand would wor

Re: [ccp4bb] number of cycles in refmac

2011-08-25 Thread Tim Gruene
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Ian, I dare say that the goal is to get phases which match as good as possible with what is inside the crystal. If this coincides with maximising the likelihood, why don't we run refinement until the LL stabilises? @Garib: I have seen runs wher

Re: [ccp4bb] co-crystallization

2011-08-25 Thread Shilong Fan
for me, I prefer to sock these compounds into your crystal. it will much more easy than co-crystallizaiton. But each protein should be different. Normally when I star to co-crystallization with small compound, I will set up the complex with 1:1.2 molar ratio as first trial to see what should hap

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2011-08-25 Thread stéphane Thore
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