Re: [ccp4bb] Aggregated protein for crystallization

2012-02-23 Thread Ho Leung Ng
I should have been more clear. If your protein is insoluble aggregate, you can use crystal screen results to get an idea of what buffer conditions favor solubility (and hopefully monodispersity). An example is described nicely in Collins et al, Acta Cryst F 61:1035. Ho Ho Leung Ng University of

Re: [ccp4bb] Aggregated protein for crystallization

2012-02-22 Thread Allan Pang
Not sure if it will be helpful... but my protein is not the most stable protein, in fact, it does aggregate over time (most likely due to its 'sticky' nature). However, I still get crystals. The problem is the crystals are among the gunks and precipitates. Your case might be different

Re: [ccp4bb] Aggregated protein for crystallization

2012-02-22 Thread Savvas Savvides
Dear Raji Running a blue-native gel with lanes in the presence and absence of a reducing agent could prove quite informative. DLS could also return a quick result on the particle distribution in your sample. In that case I would measure samples as fractionated from the superdex200 and compare

Re: [ccp4bb] Aggregated protein for crystallization

2012-02-22 Thread Pius Padayatti
some more thoughts, Do a cryo-EM imaging, it will be ideal than DLS. if the particle sizes are uniform i would think your protein in that state might be useful. cheers Padayatti On Tue, Feb 21, 2012 at 6:21 PM, Raji Edayathumangalam r...@brandeis.edu wrote: Hi Folks, As crazy as it sounds, if

[ccp4bb] Fwd: [ccp4bb] Aggregated protein for crystallization

2012-02-22 Thread Pius Padayatti
This was meant to Raji, So here it goes to all. -- Forwarded message -- From: Zhang, Zhen zhen_zh...@dfci.harvard.edu Date: Wed, Feb 22, 2012 at 12:15 PM Subject: RE: [ccp4bb] Aggregated protein for crystallization To: Pius Padayatti ppadaya...@gmail.com Hi Pius, I have done

Re: [ccp4bb] Aggregated protein for crystallization

2012-02-22 Thread Ho Leung Ng
     If you haven't done so already, I would screen buffer conditions (pH, salt concentration, glycerol, strongly reducing conditions, ligands, detergents) by DLS to see if you can reduce aggregation. You might get lucky by setting up crystallization plates, but chances are you won't get very

Re: [ccp4bb] Aggregated protein for crystallization

2012-02-22 Thread Bernhard Rupp (Hofkristallrat a.D.)
You might get lucky by setting up crystallization plates, but chances are you won't get very useful information from them, especially if your aggregated protein is soluble. I seem to fail to understand how crystallization plates would give information in the not-special case of protein

[ccp4bb] Aggregated protein for crystallization

2012-02-21 Thread Raji Edayathumangalam
Hi Folks, As crazy as it sounds, if you have crystallized and managed to solve the structure of a protein from aggregated protein, please could you share your experience. After many constructs, many many expression schemes and after the usual rigmarole of optimization that is also often

Re: [ccp4bb] Aggregated protein for crystallization

2012-02-21 Thread Jacob Keller
Hey, it could be that you just have a big oligomer--any support for that in the relevant literature? A 10-mer would probably beat out an s200, no? Do you have any other way to ascertain the oligomeric state? Jacob On Tue, Feb 21, 2012 at 5:21 PM, Raji Edayathumangalam r...@brandeis.edu wrote:

Re: [ccp4bb] Aggregated protein for crystallization

2012-02-21 Thread Phoebe Rice
bulletin board CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK (on behalf of Raji Edayathumangalam r...@brandeis.edu) Subject: [ccp4bb] Aggregated protein for crystallization To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Hi Folks, As crazy as it sounds, if you have crystallized and managed to solve the structure of a protein from

Re: [ccp4bb] Aggregated protein for crystallization

2012-02-21 Thread Puey Ounjai
Hi, Your idea does sound really crazy but actually Jacob had made a very good valid point. Question is do you think your aggregate still functioning or not, if not, can you revive them in vitro and how effective is your refolding process if you are going to refold them? You may want to take a

Re: [ccp4bb] Aggregated protein for crystallization

2012-02-21 Thread Bernhard Rupp (Hofkristallrat a.D.)
Well, depends on what 'aggregated' really means. If it implies reasonably weak oligomerization interaction - and it might not be too strong given that the oligomers remain soluble - a chaotropic crystallization agent (on the extreme end certain high salts, consult Hofmeister for chaotropicity)

Re: [ccp4bb] Aggregated protein for crystallization

2012-02-21 Thread Shya Biswas
Hi, Did you try using a different column like Superose 6? This column works well to separate large molecular weight proteins including oligomers. Ideally if your solution is not cloudy (coming out of void volume) those are not aggregates those might be oligomers. HTH, Shya On Tue, Feb 21, 2012 at