Re: [ccp4bb] Bidentate GLU vs two monodentate GLU in metalloproteins

2019-07-18 Thread Cade, Ian
Hi,

I would expect that the principal issue is that (bis)mono and bidentate iron 
complexes are likely to have different chemistries, even though they would have 
the same number of oxygen atoms nearby the iron atom – For example, unlike two 
monodentate carboxylates, the shape of a bidentate carboxylate is unlikely to 
allow the oxygen atoms to coordinate in an idealised octahedral or tetrahedral 
orientation at the iron atom.

So I’d expect that metalloenzymes would simply evolve to have carboxylates with 
the correct denticity (or capacity to cycle between mono and bidentate) to 
catalyse their reactions.

Here’s an article that discusses this in one particular case of methane 
monooxygenase (with glutamates providing the carboxylate ligands)

Mikael A. Miniera  and   Stephen J. Lippard, Dalton Trans 2015, 44, 18111
DOI: 10.1039/C5DT02138C

Ian

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Dear all,
What is more preferable or conserved by evolution of lifeform point of view 
between glutamate acting as bidentate ligand by its carboxylate group or two 
monodentate GLU at metal binding site in natural metalloenzymes.
I was thinking 2 GLU are better than one bidentate GLU because if one GLU gets 
mutated other GLU will still be able to form a coordination bond to a metal.
Please comment and help if i am right or wrong. metal is Fe2+. In short which 
will evolve with time a bidentate GLU or 2 monodentate GLU.



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[ccp4bb] Bidentate GLU vs two monodentate GLU in metalloproteins

2019-07-18 Thread Chandra Prakash Tiwari
Dear all,
What is more preferable or conserved by evolution of lifeform point of view
between glutamate acting as bidentate ligand by its carboxylate group or
two monodentate GLU at metal binding site in natural metalloenzymes.
I was thinking 2 GLU are better than one bidentate GLU because if one GLU
gets mutated other GLU will still be able to form a coordination bond to a
metal.
Please comment and help if i am right or wrong. metal is Fe2+. In short
which will evolve with time a bidentate GLU or 2 monodentate GLU.



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Re: [ccp4bb] Bidentate GLU vs two monodentate GLU in metalloproteins

2019-07-17 Thread Robbie Joosten
Hi Chandra,

That is an intriguing question. The problem is that even if you would data mine 
this, the data in the PDB would be incredibly skewed to whatever we managed to 
crystalise. And then there is the problem of poorly modeled metal sites. So the 
true answer will be elusive.
Purely anecdotal, I tend to see more monodentate metal binding in protein 
structures. Apart from confirmation bias, it might be caused by bidentate 
coordination almost always having suboptimal geometry in terms of orbital 
overlap. Another issue is that monodentate binding is more evolutionary robust. 
In many metal sites you don’t need direct charge compensation by a formal 
charge. Polarisation is quite enough. That means that your coordinating oxygen 
can be replaced by quite a few residues. This is not the case in a bidentate 
setup.

HTH,
Robbie

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Dear all,
What is more preferable or conserved by evolution point of view between 
glutamate acting as bidentate ligand by its carboxylate group or two 
monodentate GLU at metal binding site in natural metalloprotein.
I was thinking 2 GLU are better than one bidentate GLU because if one GLU gets 
mutated other GLU will still be able to form a coordination bond to a metal.
Please comment and help if i am right or wrong.



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[ccp4bb] Bidentate GLU vs two monodentate GLU in metalloproteins

2019-07-15 Thread Chandra Prakash Tiwari
Dear all,
What is more preferable or conserved by evolution point of view between
glutamate acting as bidentate ligand by its carboxylate group or two
monodentate GLU at metal binding site in natural metalloprotein.
I was thinking 2 GLU are better than one bidentate GLU because if one GLU
gets mutated other GLU will still be able to form a coordination bond to a
metal.
Please comment and help if i am right or wrong.



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