[ccp4bb] AW: [ccp4bb] AW: [ccp4bb] COOT RSR

2021-11-23 Thread Schreuder, Herman /DE
: Montag, 22. November 2021 22:09 An: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Betreff: Re: [ccp4bb] AW: [ccp4bb] COOT RSR What's the difference between a dummy water and a real one? Paul On 22/11/2021 14:34, Schreuder, Herman /DE wrote: Dear Paul, I agree with Oliver and Norbert, in the early phases of refin

Re: [ccp4bb] AW: [ccp4bb] COOT RSR

2021-11-23 Thread Norbert Straeter
Dear Paul, with "dummy water" I refer to a water molecule, which I place at the center of a (usually positive) difference electron density peak to be able to measure the distances to the environment and decide, what the density actually might be. I do that quite often. It could also be any othe

Re: [ccp4bb] AW: [ccp4bb] COOT RSR

2021-11-22 Thread Paul Emsley
ftrag von *Norbert Straeter *Gesendet:* Sonntag, 21. November 2021 12:24 *An:* CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK *Betreff:* Re: [ccp4bb] COOT RSR Dear Paul, I agree to Oliver. In situations where you want to fit a "dummy water" to a difference density peak (to determine distances to the environm

[ccp4bb] AW: [ccp4bb] COOT RSR

2021-11-22 Thread Schreuder, Herman /DE
. However, it would be much more convenient if the repulsions with water molecules would not be taken into account. Thank you, Herman Von: CCP4 bulletin board Im Auftrag von Norbert Straeter Gesendet: Sonntag, 21. November 2021 12:24 An: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Betreff: Re: [ccp4bb] COOT RSR Dear

Re: [ccp4bb] COOT RSR

2021-11-21 Thread Norbert Straeter
Dear Paul, I agree to Oliver. In situations where you want to fit a "dummy water" to a difference density peak (to determine distances to the environment) or try the fit of solvent molecules to yet unexplained density, it would be nice to first obtain an optimal fit and next think about the env

Re: [ccp4bb] COOT RSR

2021-11-20 Thread Paul Emsley
ere extensive rebuilding is required. Best regards Oliver From: CCP4 bulletin board [CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK] on behalf of Paul Emsley [pems...@mrc-lmb.cam.ac.uk] Sent: 20 November 2021 11:37 To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] COOT RSR On 20/11/2021 09

Re: [ccp4bb] COOT RSR

2021-11-20 Thread Weiergräber , Oliver H .
_ From: CCP4 bulletin board [CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK] on behalf of Paul Emsley [pems...@mrc-lmb.cam.ac.uk] Sent: 20 November 2021 11:37 To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] COOT RSR On 20/11/2021 09:42, Matthew Snee wrote: I had a bit of trouble getting used to the new COOT real space

Re: [ccp4bb] COOT RSR

2021-11-20 Thread Paul Emsley
On 20/11/2021 09:42, Matthew Snee wrote: I had a bit of trouble getting used to the new COOT real space refine... it took me an embarrassingly long time to work out that there is nothing wrong with the fitting/restraints.. You are not alone in finding Coot's RSR unintuitive (at least initia

[ccp4bb] COOT RSR

2021-11-20 Thread Matthew Snee
Hi all I had a bit of trouble getting used to the new COOT real space refine... it took me an embarrassingly long time to work out that there is nothing wrong with the fitting/restraints.. it just doesn't seem to allow clashes with parts of the model that aren't in the selected RSR zone even wh