Re: [ccp4bb] choice of wavelength

2012-02-20 Thread James Holton
The short answer is: no. Wavelength does not matter. Not for native data anyway. I wrote a paper about this recently. It is open access: http://dx.doi.org/10.1107/S0907444910007262 In particular, check out Figure 2. The two solid lines are pretty darn flat, and that means the wavelength

Re: [ccp4bb] choice of wavelength

2012-02-17 Thread Colin Nave
the square of the wavelength. Regards Colin -Original Message- From: CCP4 bulletin board [mailto:CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK] On Behalf Of Bart Hazes Sent: 16 February 2012 15:01 To: ccp4bb Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] choice of wavelength Hi Andrew, I completely agree and it is what I meant

Re: [ccp4bb] choice of wavelength

2012-02-16 Thread John R Helliwell
Dear Colleagues, I think the following paper will be of particular interest for some aspects of this thread:- J. Appl. Cryst. (1984). 17, 118-119[ doi:10.1107/S0021889884011092 ] Optimum X-ray wavelength for protein crystallography U. W. Arndt Abstract: If the diffraction pattern from

Re: [ccp4bb] choice of wavelength

2012-02-16 Thread A Leslie
On 15 Feb 2012, at 23:55, Bart Hazes wrote: Diffracted intensity goes up by the cube of the wavelength, but so does absorption and I don't know exactly about radiation damage. One interesting point is that on image plate and CCD detectors the signal is also proportional to photon energy,

[ccp4bb] choice of wavelength

2012-02-15 Thread Seungil Han
All, I am curious to hear what our CCP4 community thoughts are I have a marginally diffracting protein crystal (3-3.5 Angstrom resolution) and would like to squeeze in a few tenth of angstrom. Given that I am working on crystal quality improvement, would different wavelengths make any

Re: [ccp4bb] choice of wavelength

2012-02-15 Thread Bosch, Juergen
No impact ? Longer wavelength more absorption more damage. But between the choices given no problem. Spread of spots might be better with 1.0 versus 0.9 but that depends on your cell and also how big your detector is. Given your current resolution none of the mentioned issues are deal breakers.

Re: [ccp4bb] choice of wavelength

2012-02-15 Thread Jacob Keller
Well, but there is more scattering with lower energy as well. The salient parameter should probably be scattering per damage. I remember reading some systematic studies a while back in which wavelength choice ended up being insignificant, but perhaps there is more info now, or perhaps I am

Re: [ccp4bb] choice of wavelength

2012-02-15 Thread Francis E Reyes
Acta Cryst. (1997). D53, 734-737[ doi:10.1107/S0907444997007233 ] The Ultimate Wavelength for Protein Crystallography? I. Polikarpov, A. Teplyakov and G. Oliva http://scripts.iucr.org/cgi-bin/paper?gr0657 may give some insights. To the OP, have you solved the structure? In some cases,

Re: [ccp4bb] choice of wavelength

2012-02-15 Thread Bart Hazes
Diffracted intensity goes up by the cube of the wavelength, but so does absorption and I don't know exactly about radiation damage. One interesting point is that on image plate and CCD detectors the signal is also proportional to photon energy, so doubling the wavelength gives 8 times

[ccp4bb] Choice of wavelength

2012-02-13 Thread Theresa H. Hsu
Hi all. When collecting data, is there a specific wavelength to be chosen at synchrotron source? Does it make difference between 0.9 and 1.5 A, for example? I know it is important for SAD/MAD but how about MIR? Thank you. Theresa

Re: [ccp4bb] Choice of wavelength

2012-02-13 Thread jens Preben Morth
If you are not looking for a specific metal, you can play it safe and collect a redundant native data set at 0.9 A and one at 1.5 A, to check for Ca,Cl,SO4 etc and other anomalous scatterers cheers Preben On 2/13/12 10:02 PM, Theresa H. Hsu wrote: Hi all. When collecting data, is there a

Re: [ccp4bb] Choice of wavelength

2012-02-13 Thread Ed Pozharski
On Mon, 2012-02-13 at 21:02 +, Theresa H. Hsu wrote: Hi all. When collecting data, is there a specific wavelength to be chosen at synchrotron source? Does it make difference between 0.9 and 1.5 A, for example? I know it is important for SAD/MAD but how about MIR? Thank you.

Re: [ccp4bb] Choice of wavelength

2012-02-13 Thread Bernhard Rupp (Hofkristallrat a.D.)
To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Subject: [ccp4bb] Choice of wavelength Hi all. When collecting data, is there a specific wavelength to be chosen at synchrotron source? Does it make difference between 0.9 and 1.5 A, for example? I know it is important for SAD/MAD but how about MIR? Thank you. Theresa