[ccp4bb] R and Rfree in twinned crystals

2011-03-29 Thread M. Kavyashree
Dear users, What is the allowed range of difference between R and Rfree for structures with twinning? I have a data in R3, after MR (dimer in asu) and Refinement using Refmac-5.5.0102, I ended up getting R ~ 0.231 and Rfree ~ 0.293, difference seemed to be little high. For twinning corr

Re: [ccp4bb] R and Rfree

2007-04-26 Thread Ian Tickle
Hi U Sam When you say "R increases and Rfree decreases or vice versa" it's important to consider which variables they are increasing/decreasing with respect to. During a given run of Refmac (or whatever) with N iterations, where you optimise a *fixed* set of atomic/group/overall parameters with

Re: [ccp4bb] R and Rfree

2007-04-26 Thread Eleanor Dodson
It is difficult at the end of refinement - the small corrections hardly affect the R values, but should make the maps look cleaner. And R values are very correlated with the tightness of your geometric restraints - maybe you are changing these slightly too? I presume you are describing small sh

Re: [ccp4bb] R and Rfree

2007-04-25 Thread David Briggs
Hi Sam Dogma would state that you are trying to maximise the correlation between your model and the structure, *without over fitting* and Rfree should thus be minimised. However, you are likley using a maximum likelihood target, so you should maximise the likelihood so that the model accurately

[ccp4bb] R and Rfree

2007-04-25 Thread U Sam
Hi Everybody, I have small query. I am feeding ions and correcting few residues into my final structure. If R increases and Rfree decreases or vice versa in the subsequent refinement, which one I should accept and go forward. Thanks. Sam ___