Re: [ccp4bb] diffraction images images/jpeg2000

2007-08-24 Thread Gerard Bricogne
Dear Harry, Sorry, this did end up sounding harsher than I intended, and it could have done with a few judiciously placed smileys :) . My mailer may also have been overzealous: there was no intention of bombarding you with disapproval. I was simply trying to say that we are still far f

Re: [ccp4bb] diffraction images images/jpeg2000

2007-08-24 Thread Harry Powell
Wow. I don't know about the rest of you, but I got told three times. Gerard is, of course, right about pixel non-independence (think "point spread function", among other things), and I wouldn't care to argue statistics with him, but as far as I know (and I could well be wrong) most of the in

Re: [ccp4bb] diffraction images images/jpeg2000

2007-08-24 Thread Gerard Bricogne
Dear all, I think we need to stop and think right here. The errors in pixel values of images are neither Poisson (i.e. forget about taking square roots) nor independent. Our ideas about image statistics are already disastrously poor enough: the last thing we need is to make matters even worse

Re: [ccp4bb] diffraction images images/jpeg2000

2007-08-24 Thread Harry Powell
Hi Lossy compression should be okay, provided that the errors introduced are smaller than those expected for counting statistics (assuming that the pixels are more-or-less independent) - i.e. less than the square-root of the individual pixel intensities (though I don't see why this can't be e

Re: [ccp4bb] diffraction images images/jpeg2000

2007-08-24 Thread Winter, G (Graeme)
CTED] On Behalf Of James Holton Sent: 23 August 2007 18:47 To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] diffraction images images/jpeg2000 Well, I know it's not the definitive source of anything, but the wikipedia entry on JPEG2000 says: "The PNG (Portable Network Graphics) format is sti

Re: [ccp4bb] diffraction images images/jpeg2000

2007-08-24 Thread Winter, G (Graeme)
Message- From: CCP4 bulletin board [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of James Holton Sent: 23 August 2007 18:47 To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] diffraction images images/jpeg2000 Well, I know it's not the definitive source of anything, but the wikipedia entry on JPEG2000

Re: [ccp4bb] diffraction images images/jpeg2000

2007-08-23 Thread James Holton
to know or care... Just my 2c on this one. Cheers, Graeme -Original Message- From: CCP4 bulletin board [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Maneesh Yadav Sent: 18 August 2007 00:02 To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Subject: [ccp4bb] diffraction images images/jpeg2000 FWIW, I don't agree wi

Re: [ccp4bb] diffraction images images/jpeg2000

2007-08-23 Thread Tim Fenn
On Thu, 23 Aug 2007 10:46:51 -0700 James Holton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > So would PNG be better? It does support 16 bit greyscale. Then > again, so does TIFF, and Mar already uses that. Why don't they use > the LZW compression feature of TIFF? Because of the patents on LZW (http://en.wi

Re: [ccp4bb] diffraction images images/jpeg2000

2007-08-21 Thread William Scott
ccp4 J. P. Abrahams pack_c.c compression offers. At the I used this when I was a postdoc but had forgotten about this. It doesn't build (?) as far as I can tell in the default ccp4 install. I found it, and a fortran program, in the ipdisp directory, tried "make" and got this rather crypt

Re: [ccp4bb] diffraction images images/jpeg2000

2007-08-21 Thread Herbert J. Bernstein
t; Cheers, > > Graeme > > -Original Message- > From: CCP4 bulletin board [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of > Maneesh Yadav > Sent: 18 August 2007 00:02 > To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK > Subject: [ccp4bb] diffraction images images/jpeg2000 > > FWIW, I don'

Re: [ccp4bb] diffraction images images/jpeg2000

2007-08-20 Thread Harry Powell
one. Cheers, Graeme -Original Message- From: CCP4 bulletin board [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Maneesh Yadav Sent: 18 August 2007 00:02 To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Subject: [ccp4bb] diffraction images images/jpeg2000 FWIW, I don't agree with storing image data, I don't thi

Re: [ccp4bb] diffraction images images/jpeg2000

2007-08-20 Thread Winter, G (Graeme)
007 00:02 To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Subject: [ccp4bb] diffraction images images/jpeg2000 FWIW, I don't agree with storing image data, I don't think they justify the cost of storage even remotely (some people debate the value of the structures themselves)...but if you want to do it anyway, may

[ccp4bb] diffraction images images/jpeg2000

2007-08-17 Thread Maneesh Yadav
FWIW, I don't agree with storing image data, I don't think they justify the cost of storage even remotely (some people debate the value of the structures themselves)...but if you want to do it anyway, maybe we should use a format like jpeg2000. Last time I checked, none of the major image p