Re: [ccp4bb] refinement hanging--what am I missing?

2013-04-30 Thread Eleanor Dodson
What is the relationship between the molecules in the spacegroups - it seems likely that in the bigger cell there is a NC translation of ~(1/2,y,z)? ? (A2 ~ twice a1) That can be checked by the native Patterson.. If so that gives a class of significantly weaker reflections for h odd, and that

Re: [ccp4bb] refinement hanging--what am I missing?

2013-04-29 Thread Herman . Schreuder
comes out. Good luck! Herman -Original Message- From: CCP4 bulletin board [mailto:CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK] On Behalf Of Patrick Loll Sent: Saturday, April 27, 2013 12:32 AM To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] refinement hanging--what am I missing? Responding to a couple

Re: [ccp4bb] refinement hanging--what am I missing?

2013-04-29 Thread Edward A. Berry
herman.schreu...@sanofi.com wrote: I would process or expand the data to P1, also expand your pdb file to P1 and refine in P1 to see what happens. I would also run Phaser or some other molecular replacement program on the P1 data to see what comes out. process or expand? I don't understand

Re: [ccp4bb] refinement hanging--what am I missing?

2013-04-29 Thread Herman . Schreuder
hanging--what am I missing? herman.schreu...@sanofi.com wrote: I would process or expand the data to P1, also expand your pdb file to P1 and refine in P1 to see what happens. I would also run Phaser or some other molecular replacement program on the P1 data to see what comes out. process

Re: [ccp4bb] refinement hanging--what am I missing?

2013-04-29 Thread Tim Gruene
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Ed, just FYI: while this does not apply in the ccp4/mtz world, the fact you might be missing is that in some refinement environments merging is carried out by the refinement program so that the actual data can be kept unmerged and e.g. the

[ccp4bb] refinement hanging--what am I missing?

2013-04-26 Thread Patrick Loll
Hi all, Here is a problem that's been annoying me, and demanding levels of thought all out of proportion with the importance of the project: I have two related crystal forms of the same small protein. In both cases, the data look quite decent, and extend beyond 2 A, but the refinement stalls

Re: [ccp4bb] refinement hanging--what am I missing?

2013-04-26 Thread Phil Jeffrey
Pat, Try TLS - I usually don't invoke it at this type of resolution but in one case I saw it make a surprisingly significant improvement. I would also be tempted to put the structures through Arp/wArp and see if it lowers the R-free any more - rightly or wrongly I view this as the lowest

Re: [ccp4bb] refinement hanging--what am I missing?

2013-04-26 Thread Patrick Loll
Responding to a couple of questions from Ethan, Charlie, and Phil: Ethan: Using the default bulk solvent modeling in Phenix; no selenium, but I'll double-check wavelengths as a sanity check for scattering factors (but several other native data sets from the same synchrotron trip refined

Re: [ccp4bb] refinement hanging--what am I missing?

2013-04-26 Thread Boaz Shaanan
board [CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK] on behalf of Patrick Loll [pat.l...@drexel.edu] Sent: Saturday, April 27, 2013 12:38 AM To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Subject: [ccp4bb] refinement hanging--what am I missing? Hi all, Here is a problem that's been annoying me, and demanding levels of thought all out

Re: [ccp4bb] refinement hanging--what am I missing?

2013-04-26 Thread Robbie Joosten
] refinement hanging--what am I missing? Responding to a couple of questions from Ethan, Charlie, and Phil: Ethan: Using the default bulk solvent modeling in Phenix; no selenium, but I'll double-check wavelengths as a sanity check for scattering factors (but several other native data sets from