Re: [ccp4bb] Dose in diffraction patterns?

2020-05-07 Thread James Holton
One more correction: For example, if you see an average pixel value of 20 photons on a Pilatus 6M, then that is P=120e6 photons.  If that was a t=0.1 s exposure from a sample 100 microns thick, then the beamline flux was about 1e12 photons/s.  Note that this is the flux after any attenuation,

[ccp4bb] What refinement programs are fully Open Source?

2020-05-07 Thread Roversi, Pietro (Dr.)
Dear all, we are in the editorial stages of a manuscript that I submitted to Wellcome Open Research for publication. The journal/editor ask us to list fully Open Source alternatives to the pieces of software we used, for example for data processing and refinement. What refinement programs are

Re: [ccp4bb] What refinement programs are fully Open Source?

2020-05-07 Thread Roversi, Pietro (Dr.)
Thank you Ethan for taking the the time to answer and explain. Yes I am sure I have asked a vague and imprecise question. Practically, I am going to point to xia2 for data processing: https://www.ccp4.ac.uk/newsletters/newsletter48/articles/Xia2/manual.html and hope it is "Open Source enough" -

Re: [ccp4bb] What refinement programs are fully Open Source?

2020-05-07 Thread Ethan A Merritt
On Thursday, 7 May 2020 09:34:13 PDT Roversi, Pietro (Dr.) wrote: > Dear all, > > we are in the editorial stages of a manuscript that I submitted to Wellcome > Open Research for publication. > > The journal/editor ask us to list fully Open Source alternatives to the > pieces of software we

Re: [ccp4bb] Dose in diffraction patterns?

2020-05-07 Thread James Holton
Ah!  I did that last formula wrong.  Never do algebra in your head without checking. It should be: The equation then becomes: f = P/t/L/1.2e-5 Where 1.2e-5 = 0.2 cm^2/g * 1.2 g/cm^3 * 1e-4 cm/micron * 50%, f=flux and t=exposure (as above). For example, if you see an average pixel value of

Re: [ccp4bb] What refinement programs are fully Open Source?

2020-05-07 Thread Dale Tronrud
Could you point out where in this document the license is described? While not particularly relevant to your question, TNT is a reasonable example of what Ethan is talking about. TNT was always "open source" since all source code was distributed to every user. It has never been "free",

Re: [ccp4bb] What refinement programs are fully Open Source?

2020-05-07 Thread Winter, Graeme (DLSLtd,RAL,LSCI)
Hi Pietro, To be precise, xia2 is a tool (which is open source under any definition - BSD licensed) for running data processing programs on your behalf. If you run with DIALS for indexing, integration and scaling (which are licensed the same way, and uses cctbx which is also open source) then

Re: [ccp4bb] What refinement programs are fully Open Source?

2020-05-07 Thread Ethan A Merritt
On Thursday, 7 May 2020 10:18:38 PDT Roversi, Pietro (Dr.) wrote: > Thank you Ethan for taking the the time to answer and explain. > Yes I am sure I have asked a vague and imprecise question. > > Practically, I am going to point to xia2 for data processing: >

Re: [ccp4bb] What refinement programs are fully Open Source?

2020-05-07 Thread Tim Gruene
Dear Pietro, to add a bit to Ethan's warning, you might even consider XDS open source: although the very source is not freely downloadable, it is so well documented that one could rewrite the program just from its documentation. At least, this is how the program SAINT started, as far as I now.

Re: [ccp4bb] What refinement programs are fully Open Source?

2020-05-07 Thread David Waterman
Dear Ethan, The copy of xia2 that I have on my machine says at the top of the source > # Copyright (C) 2013 David Waterman > # > # This code is distributed under the terms and conditions of the > # CCP4 Program Suite Licence Agreement as a CCP4 Application. This surprised me

[ccp4bb] Fwd: Re: What refinement programs are fully Open Source?

2020-05-07 Thread Helen Ginn
Hi Pietro! As for free and open-source (GPLv3 license) refinement software, I am developing Vagabond. https://vagabond.hginn.co.uk It is based on refining bond torsion angles in an ensemble of related structures which also captures flexibility (no B factors!). There are no restraints, only

Re: [ccp4bb] What refinement programs are fully Open Source?

2020-05-07 Thread Winter, Graeme (DLSLtd,RAL,LSCI)
Dear Tim, While I agree that the papers describing XDS are excellent (and acknowledge precisely this every time I talk about DIALS!) I am certain that the actual implementation of XDS deviates significantly from the mathematical descriptions in the paper for the simple reason that writing data

Re: [ccp4bb] What refinement programs are fully Open Source?

2020-05-07 Thread Ethan A Merritt
On Thursday, 7 May 2020 13:58:55 PDT David Waterman wrote: > Dear Ethan, > > The copy of xia2 that I have on my machine says at the top of the source > > # Copyright (C) 2013 David Waterman > > # > > # This code is distributed under the terms and conditions of the > > # CCP4 Program