[ccp4bb] how to interpret DALI search results

2012-06-12 Thread Jerry McCully

Dear ALL;

After we solved our structure by anomalous scattering, we did a DALI 
search. Here are the results but it is not easy to draw meaningful conclusions 
whether our structure represents a novel fold or is homologous to others.

   Basically the Z-score is between 2 and 6.4 since our structure only 
contains 130 residues. Sequence identity is between 5 to 15%.

   The RMSD of structural alignment is between 2.5 to 6 angstrom.  

   Any suggests to interpret the DALI results? Many thanks,

Jerry McCully


  

Re: [ccp4bb] how to interpret DALI search results

2012-06-12 Thread VAN RAAIJ , MARK JOHAN
if this is the first (or second, or third) time you do a DALI search,  
take the list output from DALI, start from the top and superpose each  
structure with yours and look at the superpositions with your  
favourite superposition software.
This is very educational and the only way you get a feeling for what  
numbers mean.



Quoting Jerry McCully:



Dear ALL;

After we solved our structure by anomalous scattering, we  
did a DALI search. Here are the results but it is not easy to draw  
meaningful conclusions whether our structure represents a novel fold  
or is homologous to others.


   Basically the Z-score is between 2 and 6.4 since our  
structure only contains 130 residues. Sequence identity is between 5  
to 15%.


   The RMSD of structural alignment is between 2.5 to 6 angstrom.

   Any suggests to interpret the DALI results? Many thanks,

Jerry McCully







Mark J van Raaij
Laboratorio M-4
Dpto de Estructura de Macromoléculas
Centro Nacional de Biotecnología - CSIC
c/Darwin 3, Campus Cantoblanco
28049 Madrid
tel. 91 585 4616
email: mjvanra...@cnb.csic.es


Re: [ccp4bb] how to interpret DALI search results

2012-06-12 Thread VAN RAAIJ , MARK JOHAN

...I meant visualisation software of course...

Quoting VAN RAAIJ , MARK JOHAN:

if this is the first (or second, or third) time you do a DALI  
search, take the list output from DALI, start from the top and  
superpose each structure with yours and look at the superpositions  
with your favourite superposition software.
This is very educational and the only way you get a feeling for what  
numbers mean.



Quoting Jerry McCully:



Dear ALL;

   After we solved our structure by anomalous scattering, we  
did a DALI search. Here are the results but it is not easy to draw  
meaningful conclusions whether our structure represents a novel  
fold or is homologous to others.


  Basically the Z-score is between 2 and 6.4 since our  
structure only contains 130 residues. Sequence identity is between  
5 to 15%.


  The RMSD of structural alignment is between 2.5 to 6 angstrom.

  Any suggests to interpret the DALI results? Many thanks,

Jerry McCully







Mark J van Raaij
Laboratorio M-4
Dpto de Estructura de Macromoléculas
Centro Nacional de Biotecnología - CSIC
c/Darwin 3, Campus Cantoblanco
28049 Madrid
tel. 91 585 4616
email: mjvanra...@cnb.csic.es





Mark J van Raaij
Laboratorio M-4
Dpto de Estructura de Macromoléculas
Centro Nacional de Biotecnología - CSIC
c/Darwin 3, Campus Cantoblanco
28049 Madrid
tel. 91 585 4616
email: mjvanra...@cnb.csic.es


Re: [ccp4bb] how to interpret DALI search results

2012-06-12 Thread Ethan Merritt
On Tuesday, June 12, 2012 02:29:13 pm Jerry McCully wrote:
 
 Dear ALL;
 
 After we solved our structure by anomalous scattering, we did a DALI 
 search. Here are the results but it is not easy to draw meaningful 
 conclusions whether our structure represents a novel fold or is homologous to 
 others.

I don't think the question is it homologous can ever be answered by 
a DALI score, whether it is high or low.  For that you need to think
about sequence families, inferred evolutionary history, shared function,
etc.

If your structure has a biological function related to that of your DALI
hit, I'd be inclined to consider seriously whether they could be distant
homologs.  If not, I doubt you will convince anyone based only on a 
vaguely similar fold.

A sequence identity of 15% is really low, but that is presumeably only
a pairwise comparison.  You should try PSIBLAST or similar to see if
both your protein and the DALI hit are recognizably members of the
same sequence family or superfamily.

Ethan



 
Basically the Z-score is between 2 and 6.4 since our structure only 
 contains 130 residues. Sequence identity is between 5 to 15%.
 
The RMSD of structural alignment is between 2.5 to 6 angstrom.  
 
Any suggests to interpret the DALI results? Many thanks,
 
 Jerry McCully
 
 
 

-- 
Ethan A Merritt
Biomolecular Structure Center,  K-428 Health Sciences Bldg
University of Washington, Seattle 98195-7742