Re: [ccp4bb] (i)mosflm indexing / cell refinement

2011-03-18 Thread A Leslie

Dear Bryan,

 As Mark van Raaij pointed out you have complete  
flexibility in specifying the images to be used in autoindexing or in  
cell refinement.


However, the default behaviour is to use the first image and a second  
image that is as close as possible to 90 degrees away for  
autoindexing, and for cell refinement a small wedge of data starting  
with the first image and a second small wedge as close as possible to  
90 degrees away. In more recent versions, three or four wedges will be  
selected for cell refinement in low symmetry space groups (monoclinic / 
triclinic using images at 0, 90 and one or 2 wedges in between) as  
this gives better determined parameters.


The use of two images (or sets of images) well separated in phi  
(ideally 90 degrees) allows the most reliable determination of the  
cell parameters, especially for low symmetry space groups. In  
particular, for monoclinic or triclinic space groups, when using a  
single image it is possible to obtain an indexing solution that  
predicts that image very well but is in fact incorrect, and will not  
predict images far away in phi.


Best wishes,

Andrew






On 17 Mar 2011, at 18:44, Bryan Lepore wrote:


I seem to have noticed that (i)mosflm can index on one image, or two
images that are not related by 90 degrees. also, cell refinement
sometimes splits up a set of frames into maybe 3 or four segments of
e.g. a few degrees each. and of course, I can set it based on frames
90 degrees apart.

reason I ask is that i thought mosflm's modus operandi was based on
frames in general being related by 90 degrees - is mosflm simply
written differently or is there some criteria it uses to make these
settings, or something else...

-Bryan


Re: [ccp4bb] (i)mosflm indexing / cell refinement

2011-03-17 Thread Mark J van Raaij
afaik Mosflm will index on whatever spots you have told it to find and not 
discard, be they from 1 image, 2, or 10 or more images at any relative angle or 
oscillation range. Or it won't successfully index, depending on the difficulty 
of the case (several lattices, spot overlap etc...).
Indexing from two images at 90 degrees from each other is simply an easy good 
practice rule that often, but not absolutely always, works. 
Many times a single image is more than enough, sometimes many images and a lot 
of trying is necessary to get the right indexing matrix.

Mark J van Raaij
Laboratorio M-4
Dpto de Estructura de Macromoleculas
Centro Nacional de Biotecnologia - CSIC
c/Darwin 3, Campus Cantoblanco
E-28049 Madrid, Spain
tel. (+34) 91 585 4616
http://www.cnb.csic.es/content/research/macromolecular/mvraaij/index.php?l=1



On 17 Mar 2011, at 19:44, Bryan Lepore wrote:

 I seem to have noticed that (i)mosflm can index on one image, or two
 images that are not related by 90 degrees. also, cell refinement
 sometimes splits up a set of frames into maybe 3 or four segments of
 e.g. a few degrees each. and of course, I can set it based on frames
 90 degrees apart.
 
 reason I ask is that i thought mosflm's modus operandi was based on
 frames in general being related by 90 degrees - is mosflm simply
 written differently or is there some criteria it uses to make these
 settings, or something else...
 
 -Bryan