Re: [ccp4bb] Complex seeding

2011-09-22 Thread Patrick Shaw Stewart
Hi Peter This idea was discussed at the recent RAMC meeting, and there is at least one example where it has worked. Generally, cross-seeding can work as long as you have homology. See e.g. Obmolova et al. Acta Crystallogr. 2010, D66, 927–933. The same group has reported seeding a complex with

Re: [ccp4bb] Complex seeding

2011-09-22 Thread VAN RAAIJ , MARK JOHAN
agree, any crystallisation idea is worth pursuing, given you have or can make enough sample to try it with. having said that, wouldn't you tend to select for the same crystals as the seed, i.e. crystals of the component on its own? have you tried limited proteolysis of your sample, incl. a bit

Re: [ccp4bb] Complex seeding

2011-09-21 Thread Ed Pozharski
On Wed, 2011-09-21 at 18:04 +0100, Peter Hsu wrote: Or is this just a crazy/bad idea? If there is one thing that I learned about crystallization, is that very few ideas are so crazy that they are bad (i.e. not worth trying). Well, if dried seaweed and ground horse hair are good for seeding, I

Re: [ccp4bb] Complex seeding

2011-09-21 Thread Peter Hsu
I forgot to mention, I can reconstitute the complex (co-expression/mixing proteins) and the complex comes off both ion exchange and an SD200 as one peak. Just haven't had luck with getting crystals.

Re: [ccp4bb] Complex seeding

2011-09-21 Thread Enrico Stura
The idea is not at all crazy. In a sense it is quite similar to Stoichiometric variation screening* if you consider that the lattice of the crystallized subunit may contain planes that might be conserved in the crystal of your hope for 3 protein complex. *Stura, E.A., Graille, M., Taussig,

Re: [ccp4bb] Complex seeding

2011-09-21 Thread VAN RAAIJ , MARK JOHAN
agree, any crystallisation idea is worth pursuing, given you have or can make enough sample to try it with. having said that, wouldn't you tend to select for the same crystals as the seed, i.e. crystals of the component on its own? have you tried limited proteolysis of your sample, incl. a