Re: [ccp4bb] Unusual monomer-monomer interface in crystal

2020-01-31 Thread Ivan Shabalin
Chris, Let me add my five cents to the discussion. Processing your data to keep I+ and I- merged separately is a very good practice, as noted by Eleanor and Mitch. Also, I highly recommend using the CMM server (https://csgid.org/csgid/metal_sites/) to validate the correctness of the metal.

Re: [ccp4bb] Unusual monomer-monomer interface in crystal

2020-01-22 Thread Mitchell D. Miller
When the JCSG was in production, we would routinely collect X-ray emission spectra from our samples to look for metals. We also saved all crystals after data collection and if we saw extra anomalous peaks in the maps during refinement, we would put the crystal up again and collect quick low

Re: [ccp4bb] Unusual monomer-monomer interface in crystal

2020-01-22 Thread Chris Fage
Many thanks for all of the suggestions. Ni2+ or Zn2+ seem to be the most likely culprits, but I plan to carry out a fluorescence scan at my next beam session. While it’s interesting that others have observed crystallization-driven formation of disulfides, the binding of a metal ion at the given

Re: [ccp4bb] Unusual monomer-monomer interface in crystal

2020-01-22 Thread Sarah Bowman
This conversation brings up the question of whether it would be good practice to always do a fluorescence scan of a crystal sample, whether it is known to be a metalloprotein or not... Energy dispersive X-ray fluorescence spectra (accessible at most synchrotron sources at this point) can often

Re: [ccp4bb] Unusual monomer-monomer interface in crystal

2020-01-22 Thread Christian Roth
Hi Chris, it could be all Ni besides Zn. I've seen Ni carried over from the initial metal affinity chromatography I presume. Cheers Christian Chris Fage schrieb am Di., 21. Jan. 2020, 21:23: > Thanks to Guenter and Eleanor for their replies. I mentioned that there is > not adequate space for

Re: [ccp4bb] Unusual monomer-monomer interface in crystal

2020-01-21 Thread Charlie Bond
anuary 2020 at 2:06 am To: "CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK" Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] Unusual monomer-monomer interface in crystal Dear Chris, are there any metal ions in your buffer or in your protein. We had a similar looking case. A Zn2+ ion bridged two monomers. Our protein is a Zn2+ binding

Re: [ccp4bb] Unusual monomer-monomer interface in crystal

2020-01-21 Thread Eleanor Dodson
As long as you have processed your data to keep I+ and I- meged separately - default for all CCP4 style data processing it is trivial to do an anom diff map - see CCP4I2 refinement or other procedures. - Usually the S show up in this map and give you a scale for peak height. Then IF you have a

Re: [ccp4bb] Unusual monomer-monomer interface in crystal

2020-01-21 Thread Tanner, John J.
Chris, We observed electron density for an intermolecular disulfide bond in a protein that appears to be monomeric in solution. See Cys166 in 4DSG or 4DSH. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22646091 Jack John J. Tanner Professor of Biochemistry and Chemistry Associate Chair of Biochemistry

Re: [ccp4bb] Unusual monomer-monomer interface in crystal

2020-01-21 Thread Chris Fage
Thanks to Guenter and Eleanor for their replies. I mentioned that there is not adequate space for a metal ion at the described interfaces. Nevertheless, placement of a metal ion, followed by refinement in Phenix, repositions the side chains significantly so as to make room for the ion without

Re: [ccp4bb] Unusual monomer-monomer interface in crystal

2020-01-21 Thread 00000c2488af9525-dmarc-request
It looks pretty metallic. It would be good to know the max peak height in rms for the difference map and also some of the distances between the His and Cys side chains. Are your sulphur occupancies alright ;-?On 21 Jan 2020 17:55, Chris Fage wrote:Dear CCP4BB Users,I've recently solved the ~2.2

Re: [ccp4bb] Unusual monomer-monomer interface in crystal

2020-01-21 Thread Eleanor Dodson
Easy to check whether it is a metal by looking at an anomalous difference map.. But there are examples of di-sulphides formed between symmetry related molecules.. Query the wwwpdb - On Tue, 21 Jan 2020 at 18:06, Guenter Fritz < guenter.fritz.phenix.c...@gmail.com> wrote: > Dear Chris, are there

Re: [ccp4bb] Unusual monomer-monomer interface in crystal

2020-01-21 Thread Guenter Fritz
Dear Chris, are there any metal ions in your buffer or in your protein. We had a similar looking case. A Zn2+ ion bridged two monomers. Our protein is a Zn2+ binding protein. The Zn2+ originated from some denatured protein in the drop. No extra Zn2+ was in the crystallization buffer.