.Apologies if this has already been posted
There seems to be someone building a processor from individual transistors:
http://www.megaprocessor.com/index.html
Estimated size: quite big!
Antonio
Some years ago, I wrote about a clone of the Beeprog (made by Elnec) I
bought here locally in Brazil.
Now, seems chinese are cloning the Beeprog PLUS (!!!)
I got a Beeprog+ in the used market here in Brazil. Asked for Elnec
warranty, since the programmer was manufactured in
On 06/23/2015 07:57 AM, Alexandre Souza wrote:
Some years ago, I wrote about a clone of the Beeprog (made by Elnec)
I bought here locally in Brazil.
Now, seems chinese are cloning the Beeprog PLUS (!!!)
I got a Beeprog+ in the used market here in Brazil. Asked for Elnec
warranty,
I don't know, but there could be some WOW stuff there. I have to admit,
the day I heard Barak Obama said the US was going to free up restrictions
with Cuba I thought about the carsand the COMPUTERS!...UNIVAC? IBM
701? Anything could be there.
On Tue, Jun 23, 2015 at 6:46 AM, Paul Birkel
I wonder to what Soviet equipment they would have upgraded?
On Mon, Jun 22, 2015 at 5:06 PM, william degnan billdeg...@gmail.com
wrote:
http://millennialmainframer.com/2014/12/ibm-still-waiting-cuba-pay-mainframes/
Who's up for it?
B
On Tue, Jun 23, 2015 at 12:46 PM, Paul Birkel pbir...@gmail.com wrote:
I wonder to what Soviet equipment they would have upgraded?
On Mon, Jun 22, 2015 at 5:06 PM, william degnan billdeg...@gmail.com
http://millennialmainframer.com/2014/12/ibm-still-waiting-cuba-pay-mainframes/
I wonder what
On Tue, Jun 23, 2015 at 10:54 AM, Jörg Hoppe j_ho...@t-online.de wrote:
Does anybody has a FPMS with schematics for the M705 modul? Perhaps as part
of some PDP-8 doc?
The M705 is the standard part in the PC8L (along with the M710 and M715).
Vince Slyngstad has some modern schematics here:
On 2015-06-23 17:22, Chuck Guzis wrote:
On 06/23/2015 07:57 AM, Alexandre Souza wrote:
Some years ago, I wrote about a clone of the Beeprog (made by Elnec)
I bought here locally in Brazil.
Now, seems chinese are cloning the Beeprog PLUS (!!!)
I got a Beeprog+ in the used market
About 10 years ago, I was using an algorithm which required more than
15 digits of precision. I wrote some PDP-11 assembler code which
could handle unsigned values up to 2^512 (just under 10^160) plus
fractional numbers with 1024 bits that had a precision on the right hand
side of the decimal
I doubt there any legal problems with their course of action. They are
not obliged to ensure that their software works correctly on a pirate copy
of their hardware.
If they add some additional checks, and they trap out on a clone, I doubt
that could be considered illegal. They do not try to
On 2015-06-23 17:59, Alexandre Souza wrote:
I doubt there any legal problems with their course of action. They are
not obliged to ensure that their software works correctly on a pirate
copy of their hardware.
If they add some additional checks, and they trap out on a clone, I
doubt that could
If I were going thru the trouble, I'd want build a TX-0 clone!
I bought the January 1975 Popular Electronics (Altair Computer issue) at the US
Navy Exchange in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba.
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Mitscher_DDG35_Cuba_Jan_1975.jpg
Michael Holley
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Subject: Re: [RANT]False Beeprog. AGAIN.
On Jun 23, 2015, at 12:03 PM, Johnny Billquist
On 2015-06-23 18:10, Paul Koning wrote:
On Jun 23, 2015, at 12:03 PM, Johnny Billquist b...@update.uu.se wrote:
On 2015-06-23 17:59, Alexandre Souza wrote:
I doubt there any legal problems with their course of action. They are
not obliged to ensure that their software works correctly on a
On 06/23/2015 09:32 AM, Johnny Billquist wrote:
But unless I misunderstood things, the software merely does a check if
the hardware looks sane, and if not it displays a message saying that
this is the wrong hardware, and it refuses to continue running.
You do misunderstand the situation.
Mike, Charles and the two Pauls,
thanks very much for your feedback on this!
The remaining point now is that they are practically impossible to find anymore
these days, but that's different topic...
Thanks again,
Pierre
Jonathan Katz wrote:
[..]
I wonder what kind of intelligence the Soviets gained from the ex-IBM
mainframes there. At that point in time a lot of the US defense
(NORAD) was run off of the SAGE setup, which must have had some 650s
as a component, right?
Jonathan, I think it is _really_ naive
On Jun 23, 2015, at 12:03 PM, Johnny Billquist b...@update.uu.se wrote:
On 2015-06-23 17:59, Alexandre Souza wrote:
I doubt there any legal problems with their course of action. They are
not obliged to ensure that their software works correctly on a pirate
copy of their hardware.
If
It's dead, pushing up daisies, it's run down the curtain to the Choir
Invisible. IT'S BRICKED.
Man, I LOLed with this pushing up daisies :D
It is most assuredly NOT pining for the fjords! :)
It is a relatively common euphemism, and is explicitly included in the
classic Monty Python Dead
On Tue, 23 Jun 2015, Fred Cisin wrote:
It's dead, pushing up daisies, it's run down the curtain to the Choir
Invisible. IT'S BRICKED.
Man, I LOLed with this pushing up daisies :D
It is most assuredly NOT pining for the fjords! :)
It is a relatively common euphemism, and is explicitly
On 2015-06-23 19:00, Chuck Guzis wrote:
On 06/23/2015 09:32 AM, Johnny Billquist wrote:
But unless I misunderstood things, the software merely does a check if
the hardware looks sane, and if not it displays a message saying that
this is the wrong hardware, and it refuses to continue running.
He's mentioned more than once that this software BRICKS the device. When
something is bricked, that means you might as well treat it like the stone
kind for all the use you're going to get out of it from then on.
In the last message I added (render it unoperable) for the ones who
don't
Well if that don't take the biscuit for originality.
Good luck to you sir. Its a living animated schematic.
Rod
On 23/06/2015 17:20, Phil Budne wrote:
If I were going thru the trouble, I'd want build a TX-0 clone!
We have now had conflicting definitive statements ranging from the
software simply displays a message and refuses to run, to the software
irreparably damages the device
But unless I misunderstood things, the software merely does a check if
the hardware looks sane, and if not it displays a
On Monday, June 22, 2015 at 15:39, Jay West wrote:
The disc drives appear to be HP 7900A drives.
I agree. A few pictures for comparison here:
http://www.hpmuseum.net/display_item.php?hw=275
The printers appear to be Data Products 2310 drum printers, also sold as
the HP 2767A; photos:
No Johnny. As I said, it bricks (renders inoperable) your hardware
if it isn't original.
Please, read it again.
It was thus said that the Great Fred Cisin once stated:
Surely any competent designer will provide a way to prevent/recover from
that situation!
That could consist of a physical switch or jumper that must be manually
set before the system can writeover the NVRAM.
OR there could be a
On Tue, 23 Jun 2015, Dave Woyciesjes wrote:
On 06/23/2015 03:13 PM, geneb wrote:
On Tue, 23 Jun 2015, Johnny Billquist wrote:
On 2015-06-23 18:41, Alexandre Souza wrote:
But unless I misunderstood things, the software merely does a check if
the hardware looks sane, and if not it displays a
On 2015-06-23 22:05, Chuck Guzis wrote:
On 06/23/2015 12:03 PM, Johnny Billquist wrote:
What is in the NVRAM? And how did it get there in the first place? Are
you saying that it is impossible to reprogram the device with some other
firmware after you have tried the version Elnec have which
Yes I noticed the rarther fancy panels with the edgewise meters.
I'm begining to wonder if they might be for monitoring private comms
circuits.
Sort of a comms test box.
The meters would be right for signal to noise and the row of buttons at
the bottom for channel to monitor selection.
On
On 06/23/2015 12:03 PM, Johnny Billquist wrote:
What is in the NVRAM? And how did it get there in the first place? Are
you saying that it is impossible to reprogram the device with some other
firmware after you have tried the version Elnec have which detects your
clone?
It's possible, but as
Why are such incompetent designers still employed in the industry?
On Tue, 23 Jun 2015, Alexandre Souza wrote:
Eh...this is INTENDED by the company. They want to fry your clone
programmer, so you can buy an original one... :o\
The retaliatory actions, certainly.
The incompetent designers
On 2015-06-23 21:49, Paul Koning wrote:
On Jun 23, 2015, at 3:47 PM, Sean Conner s...@conman.org wrote:
...
It could be due to an unforseen situation not considered by the designers.
Several years ago a friend of mine bricked at CAR (BMW I believe---it was a
high end German car in any
It could be a bunch of terminal multiplexers or communications controllers,
does not even have to be CPU's...
On Tue, Jun 23, 2015 at 5:12 PM, Brent Hilpert hilp...@cs.ubc.ca wrote:
On 2015-Jun-23, at 12:50 PM, couryho...@aol.com wrote:
hp drives yes...
...
OK another odd thing - note
On Tue, Jun 23, 2015 at 06:03:33PM +0200, Johnny Billquist wrote:
On 2015-06-23 17:59, Alexandre Souza wrote:
I doubt there any legal problems with their course of action. They are
not obliged to ensure that their software works correctly on a pirate
copy of their hardware.
If they add some
On 06/23/2015 02:47 PM, Sean Conner wrote:
Several years ago a friend of mine bricked at CAR (BMW I believe---it was a
high end German car in any case). He was updating the firmware on the car
when the power cut out, leaving the firmware in an inconsistent state. The
fix required an engineer
From: Ethan Dicks: Tuesday, June 23, 2015 8:07 AM
On Tue, Jun 23, 2015 at 10:54 AM, Jörg Hoppe wrote:
Does anybody has a FPMS with schematics for the M705 modul? Perhaps as part
of some PDP-8 doc?
Vince Slyngstad has some modern schematics here:
On Mon, Jun 22, 2015 at 05:59:08PM -0700, Ian S. King wrote:
ROAD TRIP!
It is going to take a lot of bulldozers to build a road to Cuba ...
On Mon, Jun 22, 2015 at 2:06 PM, william degnan billdeg...@gmail.com
wrote:
It could be due to an unforseen situation not considered by the designers.
Several years ago a friend of mine bricked at CAR (BMW I believe---it was a
high end German car in any case). He was updating the firmware on the car
when the power cut out, leaving the firmware in an inconsistent state.
On 06/23/2015 03:13 PM, geneb wrote:
On Tue, 23 Jun 2015, Johnny Billquist wrote:
On 2015-06-23 18:41, Alexandre Souza wrote:
But unless I misunderstood things, the software merely does a check if
the hardware looks sane, and if not it displays a message saying that
this is the wrong
On 2015-Jun-23, at 12:50 PM, couryho...@aol.com wrote:
hp drives yes...
...
OK another odd thing - note tapes but lack of tape drives.
If only we could see what was in the rest of the room!
I think those are all disk cartridges, rather than tapes.
I was trying to guess what the
Now, if someone actually have one of these devices, and can verify that
it actually bricks it, then we can talk. Until then, all I have is the
above information from Elnec, which do not suggest anything beyond
showing a message, and not continuing past that point.
I have, I've seen it be
Zitat von Sean Caron sca...@umich.edu:
I've spent a lot of time researching computer engineering in the Eastern
Bloc ...
...being somewhat isolated from what was canonical over here,
they also had their share of quite unusual indigenous designs ... a few of
the papers I have read discuss
On Tue, Jun 23, 2015 at 03:28:21PM -0700, Chuck Guzis wrote:
followed by a Mission Impossible episode where Mr. Phelps
receives his instructions via 4-track tape cartridge (which
self-destructs as usual).
Even the ones that were not spy-approved did that :-)
mcl
On Tue, Jun 23, 2015 at 03:42:54PM -0700, jwsmobile wrote:
II do have an 80 column Dataprinter that looks like the one in the photo,
not a Data Products.
There were two different companies, Data Printer and DataProducts.
Confused everyone even at the time IIRC.
mcl
On 06/23/2015 09:38 PM, Mark Linimon wrote:
Even the ones that were not spy-approved did that :-)
Ain't that the truth!
--Chuck
On Tuesday, June 23, 2015 at 11:42, Marc Verdiell wrote:
Thanks David.
You're welcome.
I might put NiMH batteries instead
That may not be advisable, given the continuous constant-current trickle
charger in the CPU power supply. The Panasonic Nickel Metal Hydride
Technical Handbook
On 2015-06-24 02:06, Mark J. Blair wrote:
On Jun 23, 2015, at 09:32 , Holm Tiffe h...@freibergnet.de wrote:
1)
Yes they copied the PDP11 and the VAX but, They made an VAX Chip that's
compatible to the VAX730...and we all know that the VAX730 ist not an one
chip solution as the russian
One way to find out!
On Tue, Jun 23, 2015 at 1:53 PM, Sean Caron sca...@umich.edu wrote:
I've spent a lot of time researching computer engineering in the Eastern
Bloc ... there aren't a lot of sources here in the West that really
describe well everything they did over there ... my Russian
On 2015-Jun-23, at 2:28 PM, william degnan wrote:
On Tue, Jun 23, 2015 at 5:12 PM, Brent Hilpert hilp...@cs.ubc.ca wrote:
On 2015-Jun-23, at 12:50 PM, couryho...@aol.com wrote:
hp drives yes...
...
OK another odd thing - note tapes but lack of tape drives.
If only we could see
On 06/23/2015 02:50 PM, TeoZ wrote:
Its one thing to copy a design and stick your own name on it, another to
clone something and stick the legit company name and logo on it. Why
can't they brick a fake if they want to (after all it is the end user
trying to load copyrighted firmware on a fake
On 2015-Jun-23, at 2:58 PM, Alexandre Souza wrote:
Now, if someone actually have one of these devices, and can verify that it
actually bricks it, then we can talk. Until then, all I have is the above
information from Elnec, which do not suggest anything beyond showing a
message, and not
On 6/23/2015 12:50 PM, couryho...@aol.com wrote:
hp drives yes...
data printer no... correct name is data products
and a neat printer if you were just printing the first 20 col zone
I remember something about this model banging it out at 800 or 1000 lpm
II do have an 80 column
[It's] one thing to copy a design and stick your own name on it,
another to clone something and stick the legit company name and logo
on it. Why can't they brick a fake if they want to [...]
The same reason I'm not allowed to smash your car window, even if your
car bears an unauthorized copy
well how many transistors does our table top straight pdp-8 have?!
In a message dated 6/23/2015 4:26:38 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time,
ccl...@sydex.com writes:
On 06/23/2015 04:11 PM, drlegendre . wrote:
When it's done, I hope he mounts it all on a black rectangular table with
20
On 06/23/2015 11:59 AM, Holm Tiffe wrote:
Think that's ok for you?
(not for me as for most people on the world, but they simplay take the
rights to do this which really pisses me of)
If yes, for sure you want to call it stupid that IBM still want's to get
payd for the old Mainframes, don't
It looks like you've refactored/consolidated a bit - or were there
components you hadn't installed at VCF-E?
On Mon, Jun 22, 2015 at 2:56 PM, couryho...@aol.com wrote:
Great save!
By the Way Evan I like the photo of that self contained Syston Donner
Analogue computer in your book!
They didn't burn it, they just made it inoperable when the owner wanted to
install new legit copyrighted firmware. If you kept it as is when purchased
nothing would have happened.
If you took that fake unit into a company shop for free user upgrades I
think they would have the right to rip
On 06/23/2015 06:05 PM, TeoZ wrote:
They didn't burn it, they just made it inoperable when the owner wanted
to install new legit copyrighted firmware. If you kept it as is when
purchased nothing would have happened.
If you took that fake unit into a company shop for free user upgrades I
think
When it's done, I hope he mounts it all on a black rectangular table with
20 shiny metal legs on each the opposing longer sides.
On Tue, Jun 23, 2015 at 5:28 PM, Chuck Guzis ccl...@sydex.com wrote:
That one's been around for awhile. Ever watch any old reruns of 60's era
The Outer Limits?
Hi Guys
I am off to Friedrichshafen for a few days and will be
back on 1-JUL-2015.
The next two batches of front panels will be:
8/e Type A
1. Old switch position markings (1 and 6 vertical)
2. Line around switch Area
3. Vertical lines
On 06/23/2015 04:11 PM, drlegendre . wrote:
When it's done, I hope he mounts it all on a black rectangular table with
20 shiny metal legs on each the opposing longer sides.
I seem to remember that the Packard-Bell PB250 used only about 400
transistors. (Magnetostrictive delay line memory).
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