Re: PDP 11 gear finally moved

2015-07-21 Thread Lyle Bickley
On Mon, 20 Jul 2015 23:14:36 -0600 Eric Smith space...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jul 20, 2015 at 4:46 PM, Rich Alderson ri...@livingcomputermuseum.org wrote: industry white papers with tables of decay rates for the aluminum electrolytics that indicate that, *no matter what*, they lose

Re: PDP 11 gear finally moved

2015-07-21 Thread Mike Stein
- Original Message - From: Tothwolf tothw...@concentric.net Sent: Monday, July 20, 2015 10:03 PM ... I too am getting tired of repeating the same thing over and over; compiling this sort of information in a single location might be helpful. As it happens I am getting tired of

Re: Beaglebone Black rev B sale

2015-07-21 Thread Ethan Dicks
On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 6:34 AM, Al Kossow a...@bitsavers.org wrote: http://www.microcenter.com/product/430528/BeagleBone_Black# There aren't any stores in the SF Bay area, so this won't do me any good, and it isn't clear how many are available. My local Micro Center is the main store. I

Re: MEM11 Update

2015-07-21 Thread Guy Sotomayor
Made a lot of progress today. I just wrote a hello world program and got it working so the UART output shows up on the simulator. Took a bit more work as there were a couple of subtle bugs lurking in paths I hadn't fully exercised previously (it's the nature of things). It was more

Re: PDP 11 gear finally moved

2015-07-21 Thread Tothwolf
On Tue, 21 Jul 2015, Mike Stein wrote: I suspect that the real criterion for whether to shotgun-replace caps is who is paying/getting paid for the materials and labour ;-). I dunno about that. When I've done commercial boards such as industrial process controllers and CPUs for customers with

Re: MEM11 Update

2015-07-21 Thread Guy Sotomayor
On 7/21/15 6:25 AM, Noel Chiappa wrote: It was interesting to re-read your original message; I and a couple of other people are looking into doing a QBUS card to provide access to modern non-volatile storage (SD cards, USB thumb drives), and in discussing the internal design, we'd planned on

Re: PDP 11 gear finally moved

2015-07-21 Thread Chuck Guzis
On 07/21/2015 06:46 PM, Tothwolf wrote: I dunno about that. When I've done commercial boards such as industrial process controllers and CPUs for customers with nearly unlimited funds, I charged the customer based on an hourly rate. Since I use a vacuum desoldering tool, changing out 10-15

RE: PDP 11 gear finally moved

2015-07-21 Thread Tothwolf
On Tue, 21 Jul 2015, tony duell wrote: On Mon, 20 Jul 2015, Tothwolf wrote: Yes, the grid cap would /usually/ be a non-polarized wax paper type, which tend to be very unreliable. I've yet to find a wax paper type which will pass a leak test and those are also on my replace on sight list.

Two Rescues, Too much stuff to add to the project list...

2015-07-21 Thread Earl Baugh
Folks, With the help of my local rescue buddy (Jeff) we had a pretty busy week rescuing a big chunk of things from basements. (and saw a lots of other interesting things... a 90% assembled Rutan EZ in one basement and a very cool, oscilloscope that would probably have have had a lot of folks

Re: Two Rescues, Too much stuff to add to the project list...

2015-07-21 Thread Al Kossow
On 7/21/15 12:10 PM, Earl Baugh wrote: Folks, 4x Otrona Attache's (and a huge plastic tub of original replacement parts... a first look indicates enough to build at least 1 more machine) Some of these have the 8086 accessory board that allows it to run MS-DOS (along with the CPU it normally

Re: PDP 11 gear finally moved

2015-07-21 Thread Chuck Guzis
On 07/21/2015 06:56 PM, Tothwolf wrote: I've often wondered why they even bother to put that polarity stripe on modern film parts when it doesn't actually indicate the outside foil terminal. Maybe this is something that has become lost knowledge to manufacturers over the years to the point

Re: PDP 11 gear finally moved

2015-07-21 Thread Mike Stein
- Original Message - From: Tothwolf tothw...@concentric.net To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts cctalk@classiccmp.org Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 9:46 PM Subject: Re: PDP 11 gear finally moved On Tue, 21 Jul 2015, Mike Stein wrote: ... FWIW I'm certainly not about

RE: PDP 11 gear finally moved

2015-07-21 Thread Peter Coghlan
Rich Alderson ri...@livingcomputermuseum.org wrote: From: Peter Coghlan Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2015 1:27 AM Rich Alderson ri...@livingcomputermuseum.org wrote: It is generally a good idea to re-form electrolytic capacitors in power supplies, and to bench check the power supplies (under

RE: PDP 11 gear finally moved

2015-07-21 Thread Christian Corti
On Mon, 20 Jul 2015, Rich Alderson wrote: the aluminum electrolytics that indicate that, *no matter what*, they lose capacitance over time, until c. 14 years from manufacturer date they are at 10% of rating. Please excuse me, but this is utter nonsense. Most electrolytics in our machines are

RE: PDP 11 gear finally moved

2015-07-21 Thread tony duell
But yes, selenium rectifiers rarely work now (although there are exceptions) and when they fail they can take out the mains transformer. And they smell horrible (think of school dinner cabbage!) Huh? All devices with selenium rectifiers that I/we own are OK. And a selenium rectifier

Beaglebone Black rev B sale

2015-07-21 Thread Al Kossow
http://www.microcenter.com/product/430528/BeagleBone_Black# There aren't any stores in the SF Bay area, so this won't do me any good, and it isn't clear how many are available.

Front Panel update

2015-07-21 Thread Rod Smallwood
Hi Guys As usual I try to keep you updated on front panel progress. (Always supposing I know where I am!!) I now have _prototype_ white seperation artwork for four front PDP8 panels 1. pdp8/e Type A 2. pdp8/e Type B 3. pdp8/f 4. pdp8/m I am doing all four together as they

RE: PDP 11 gear finally moved

2015-07-21 Thread Christian Corti
On Tue, 21 Jul 2015, tony duell wrote: But yes, selenium rectifiers rarely work now (although there are exceptions) and when they fail they can take out the mains transformer. And they smell horrible (think of school dinner cabbage!) Huh? All devices with selenium rectifiers that I/we own are

RE: PDP 11 gear finally moved

2015-07-21 Thread Tothwolf
On Sun, 19 Jul 2015, dwight wrote: I have rarely seen static damage to electronic parts. I can imagine that if I were in Nevada during winter time, I might see more. There were times when, even with a key to be the discharge point that my arm still jumped. On parts, the ones I've seen that I

Re: MEM11 Update

2015-07-21 Thread Noel Chiappa
From: Guy Sotomayor I took some time off from working on the MEM11 ... I had some time over the past few days, so I spent it working on the simulator. Excellent news! Right now all of the J1 instructions seem to simulate properly. I had to go hunt up your original message:

RE: PDP 11 gear finally moved

2015-07-21 Thread dwight
From: a...@p850ug1.demon.co.uk To: cctalk@classiccmp.org Subject: RE: PDP 11 gear finally moved Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2015 14:35:52 + Be careful, static daamge does not always show up at the time. You can damage an IC, have it work for some time afterwards and then fail. I'm