Re: tty and video displays

2020-12-14 Thread Gavin Scott via cctalk
Now I want to know if you have a list of the Burroughs APL overstrikes, since HP included many more overstrike characters in the HP 2641A than the ones that they needed for APL\3000, including (or so I'm lead to believe) all the Burroughs extended I/O quad overstrikes, presumably to maximize the

Re: tty and video displays

2020-12-14 Thread Stan Sieler via cctalk
Paul writes: > General overstrike requires a bitmap display, or some sort of persistent display. Although he carefully specified 'general overstrike', I'll still mention how the HP 2641A (an APL terminal) did it. When about to enter a newly received character into memory, the terminal checked

Re: tty and video displays

2020-12-14 Thread Brent Hilpert via cctalk
On 2020-Dec-14, at 7:57 AM, Jules Richardson wrote: > On 12/14/20 4:41 AM, Brent Hilpert via cctalk wrote: >> >> Yes. Coincidentally I've just been refurbishing one - a Teleray 3931. >> It's an ASCII/APL terminal, overstriking was included for the APL mode. >>

Re: misc stuff - free

2020-12-14 Thread Bill Gunshannon via cctalk
On 12/14/20 8:20 PM, John Foust via cctalk wrote: At 10:37 AM 12/14/2020, Don Stalkowski via cctalk wrote: Softech microsystems UCSD p-System 8" floppy disks: I would've paid for shipping these, if anyone is visiting to grab anything. I'm in Wisconsin. I'd at least want to know someone

Re: misc stuff - free

2020-12-14 Thread John Foust via cctalk
At 10:37 AM 12/14/2020, Don Stalkowski via cctalk wrote: >Softech microsystems UCSD p-System 8" floppy disks: I would've paid for shipping these, if anyone is visiting to grab anything. I'm in Wisconsin. I'd at least want to know someone imaged them. - John

Re: misc stuff - free

2020-12-14 Thread Liam Proven via cctalk
On Mon, 14 Dec 2020 at 22:52, Don Stalkowski via cctalk wrote: > > I'm listing this stuff just in case someone is desperate for > any of it. Would you like me to post these lists on the Facebook vintage-computer collectors' groups for you, Don? I can suitably anonymise your email, if you

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2020-12-14 Thread Al Kossow via cctalk
On 12/14/20 2:03 PM, ED SHARPE via cctalk wrote: Re: misc stuff - free cancel semcc hold on modem and apple mouse as we can not pick p sorry was so happy over shot the line on pickup only... thanks Ed# In a message dated 12/14/2020 2:52:00 PM US Mountain Standard Time, cctalk@classiccmp.org

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2020-12-14 Thread ED SHARPE via cctalk
Re: misc stuff - free cancel semcc hold on modem and apple mouse as we can not pick p sorry was so happy over shot the line on pickup only... thanks Ed# In a message dated 12/14/2020 2:52:00 PM US Mountain Standard Time, cctalk@classiccmp.org writes:  I'm listing this stuff just in case someone

Apple Investment

2020-12-14 Thread Murray McCullough via cctalk
Apple went public Dec. 12, 1980 at $22.00/share over 40 years ago. Where has the time gone! A $1000 investment would be ~45 shares. Today that would be 5040 shares after 5 splits. Its price today is $121/share. That would be $609,840. Here in Canada that’s $939,153! Quite the nest egg. It has

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2020-12-14 Thread Al Kossow via cctalk
On 12/14/20 1:59 PM, ED SHARPE via cctalk wrote: Apple mouse A2M4015   Ed sharpe  says  SMECC Museum can use  this Figure out how to send private emails, Ed

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2020-12-14 Thread ED SHARPE via cctalk
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2020-12-14 Thread ED SHARPE via cctalk
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DEC stuff - free

2020-12-14 Thread Don Stalkowski via cctalk
I'm listing this stuff just in case someone is desperate for any of it. All items are as-is and free. Pickup only here in London, ON. I'm too old and too tired to run around shipping things. I'll hold on to this stuff for a couple of weeks; after that it's the recycling bin. Hardware: 12 x M594

misc stuff - free

2020-12-14 Thread Don Stalkowski via cctalk
I'm listing this stuff just in case someone is desperate for any of it. All items are as-is and free. Pickup only here in London, ON. I'm too old and too tired to run around shipping things. I'll hold on to this stuff for a couple of weeks; after that it's the recycling bin. Softech

Re: tty and video displays

2020-12-14 Thread Brent Hilpert via cctalk
On 2020-Dec-14, at 6:28 AM, Paul Koning wrote: >> On Dec 14, 2020, at 9:26 AM, emanuel stiebler via cctalk >> wrote: >> On 2020-12-14 05:41, Brent Hilpert via cctalk wrote: >>> On 2020-Dec-14, at 1:26 AM, ben via cctalk wrote: Often for data input one could use over strike characters for

Re: Macro-10 humour

2020-12-14 Thread Nigel Johnson via cctalk
Nothing can beat HCF! Nigel Johnson, MSc., MIEEE, MCSE VE3ID/G4AJQ/VA3MCU Amateur Radio, the origin of the open-source concept! Skype: TILBURY2591 nw.john...@ieee.org On 2020-12-14 2:39 p.m., Wayne S via cctalk wrote: > Byte magazine in the late 70’s had a list of funny mnemonics like this. >

Re: Macro-10 humour

2020-12-14 Thread Wayne S via cctalk
Byte magazine in the late 70’s had a list of funny mnemonics like this. My fav was SDSD - Seek Data and Scar Disk. Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 14, 2020, at 07:54, Don Stalkowski via cctalk > wrote: > > I came across this among some junk I had. > > Don > > .TY NEMON.DOC > >

RE: Gateway Electronics Sale this Saturday from 9am to 4pm

2020-12-14 Thread jwest--- via cctalk
Ditto. Would love an email for Doug...

Re: tty and video displays

2020-12-14 Thread Chuck Guzis via cctalk
On 12/14/20 6:28 AM, Paul Koning via cctalk wrote: >> Is it really an overstrike? They look simply like different characters. >> At least, I didn't (probably missed it) how they can be generated out of >> the available ones... > > I wondered too. General overstrike requires a bitmap display, or

Re: tty and video displays

2020-12-14 Thread Jules Richardson via cctalk
On 12/14/20 4:41 AM, Brent Hilpert via cctalk wrote: On 2020-Dec-14, at 1:26 AM, ben via cctalk wrote: Often for data input one could use over strike characters for input. Not EQ might be = BS | Did any video display terminals repeat the same effect? Yes. Coincidentally I've just been

Macro-10 humour

2020-12-14 Thread Don Stalkowski via cctalk
I came across this among some junk I had. Don .TY NEMON.DOC LEVEL 5 MACRO-10 MNEMONICS = COINCIDENT WITH THE RELEASE OF THE LEVEL 5 MONITOR SERIES, THE MNEMONICS FOR THE HARDWARE INSTRUCTIONS USED IN THE MACRO-10 ASSEMBLER

Re: when was memory "above" the terminal screen invented?

2020-12-14 Thread Jon Elson via cctalk
On 12/14/2020 04:50 AM, jim stephens via cctalk wrote: However the Microdata Scribe, which was done by an engineer who later worked on a dot matrix printer for Data Products and manufactured in Irvine had reverse paper motion. You could align the paper, set the page size which would

Re: Gateway Electronics Sale this Saturday from 9am to 4pm

2020-12-14 Thread Jon Elson via cctalk
On 12/09/2020 07:28 PM, jim stephens via cctalk wrote: At the original store. from Doug on Facebook Because you asked so nicely, we're having another $15 fill a tray day this Saturday 9-4. at their location in Chesterfield “mall” in Chesterfield (west of St. Louis), Missouri. Lower level

Re: tty and video displays

2020-12-14 Thread Paul Koning via cctalk
> On Dec 14, 2020, at 9:26 AM, emanuel stiebler via cctalk > wrote: > > On 2020-12-14 05:41, Brent Hilpert via cctalk wrote: >> On 2020-Dec-14, at 1:26 AM, ben via cctalk wrote: >>> Often for data input one could use over strike characters for input. Not EQ >>> might be = BS | Did any video

Re: tty and video displays

2020-12-14 Thread emanuel stiebler via cctalk
On 2020-12-14 05:41, Brent Hilpert via cctalk wrote: > On 2020-Dec-14, at 1:26 AM, ben via cctalk wrote: >> Often for data input one could use over strike characters for input. Not EQ >> might be = BS | Did any video display terminals >> repeat the same effect? > > Yes. Coincidentally I've just

Re: when was memory "above" the terminal screen invented?

2020-12-14 Thread Paul Koning via cctalk
> On Dec 13, 2020, at 9:37 PM, Stan Sieler via cctalk > wrote: > > Hi, > > First, apologies if I asked this years ago (I've searched my archives, no > hits :) > > When was the concept of memory "above" the screen invented for terminals? > > I.e., previously displayed data that had

Re: tty and video displays

2020-12-14 Thread Bill Gunshannon via cctalk
On 12/14/20 4:26 AM, ben via cctalk wrote: Often for data input one could use over strike characters for input. Not EQ might be = BS | Did any video display terminals repeat the same effect? Ben. APL Terminals where many of the characters are overstrike. bill

Re: Ouch, but 2 Perqs out.

2020-12-14 Thread David Gesswein via cctalk
On Sat, Dec 12, 2020 at 10:00:43PM -0500, Chris Zach wrote: > > I'm going to have to get that GSC thing out as well if I am going to reach > these. > Looks like a rebadged HP 1000 series machine.

Re: Help needed identifying old MFM drives from the excavation

2020-12-14 Thread Martin Peters via cctalk
Fred Cisin via cctalk: (...) > The Seagates were commodity drives, used in almost everything. > Number is approximately the unformatted capacity. > ST506 was 5MB formatted (305 Cyl x 2 heads) ; The ST-506 had 2 platters, 4 heads. Mechanically the ST-506 and the ST-412 are mostly the same. The

Re: when was memory "above" the terminal screen invented?

2020-12-14 Thread jim stephens via cctalk
On 12/13/2020 10:10 PM, Frank McConnell via cctalk wrote: On Dec 13, 2020, at 18:37, Stan Sieler wrote: Hi, First, apologies if I asked this years ago (I've searched my archives, no hits :) When was the concept of memory "above" the screen invented for terminals? I.e., previously

Re: tty and video displays

2020-12-14 Thread Brent Hilpert via cctalk
On 2020-Dec-14, at 1:26 AM, ben via cctalk wrote: > Often for data input one could use over strike characters for input. Not EQ > might be = BS | Did any video display terminals > repeat the same effect? Yes. Coincidentally I've just been refurbishing one - a Teleray 3931. It's an ASCII/APL

Re: when was memory "above" the terminal screen invented?

2020-12-14 Thread Brent Hilpert via cctalk
On 2020-Dec-13, at 6:37 PM, Stan Sieler via cctalk wrote: > ... > When was the concept of memory "above" the screen invented for terminals? > > I.e., previously displayed data that had scrolled up and off the screen ... > but could be retrieved (usually by scrolling down). > > (Sometimes

tty and video displays

2020-12-14 Thread ben via cctalk
Often for data input one could use over strike characters for input. Not EQ might be = BS | Did any video display terminals repeat the same effect? Ben.

Re: when was memory "above" the terminal screen invented?

2020-12-14 Thread Chuck Guzis via cctalk
On 12/13/20 11:09 PM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: > IIRC, there were block-mode terminals with several pages of memory. > > --Chuck > Come to think of it, Don Lancaster's TVTypewriter had 2 pages of memory. --Chuck