Re: PDP 11/24 - A Step Backwards

2022-03-28 Thread Brent Hilpert via cctalk
On 2022-Mar-28, at 4:07 PM, Noel Chiappa via cctalk wrote: >> I don't think the CPU is working at all. The reason being that there is >> absolutely no LED activity. Including an LED that is supposed to indicate >> a clock. > > Looking at the KDF11-U prints, I finally found that LED (it's pretty

Re: PDP 11/24 - A Step Backwards

2022-03-28 Thread Jon Elson via cctalk
On 3/28/22 21:55, Jon Elson wrote: On 3/28/22 17:22, Rob Jarratt via cctalk wrote: Its 600mV, but it is more of a spike than a ripple. That's probably not real.  It looks like noise pickup from the probe ground lead.  Try disconnecting the probe tip and see if you still get similar signals. 

Re: Loss of Museum in Ukraine

2022-03-28 Thread Adrian Stoness via cctalk
sad news to hear On Mon, Mar 28, 2022 at 8:48 PM Murray McCullough via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > Without getting political I was saddened to hear of the destruction of the > Club 8-Bit museum in Mariupol, Ukraine. One can only hope that D. > Cherepanov can rebuild his museum

Loss of Museum in Ukraine

2022-03-28 Thread Murray McCullough via cctalk
Without getting political I was saddened to hear of the destruction of the Club 8-Bit museum in Mariupol, Ukraine. One can only hope that D. Cherepanov can rebuild his museum someday keeping classic computing in that part of the world alive. Murray--

Re: PDP 11/24 - A Step Backwards

2022-03-28 Thread Matt Burke via cctalk
On 28/03/2022 23:22, Rob Jarratt via cctalk wrote: > Its 600mV, but it is more of a spike than a ripple. Here is a trace: > https://rjarratt.files.wordpress.com/2022/03/pin-1-5v-ripple.jpg > I think that's just switching noise. You appear to be zoomed in on the point where the main switching

Re: PDP 11/24 - A Step Backwards

2022-03-28 Thread Chris Zach via cctalk
I have been reluctant to put everything back in, in case the PSU fries something. And the ripple I noticed is... For the record, right now I have only the M7133, M7134 and G7273 installed. Ok, I do recall that my 11/24 wasn't doing any ODT without some form of memory. When I configured a

Re: FTGH: DEC Networks & Comm Buyer's Guide, Letterprinter 210/LA50 manuals

2022-03-28 Thread Toby Thain via cctalk
On 2022-03-28 6:34 p.m., Grant Taylor via cctalk wrote: On 3/27/22 8:50 PM, Toby Thain via cctalk wrote: Hi, Hi Toby, Digital Networks & Communications Buyer's Guide 1987 April-June Can I get a bit more of a description as to what might be in that document? I've got an (unhealthy)

RE: PDP 11/24 - A Step Backwards

2022-03-28 Thread Noel Chiappa via cctalk
> From: "Rob Jarratt" > Thanks for the lengthy reply. Glad to help - or try to. > As an aside I have also been trying to find a fault on a Pro 350 which > uses the same CPU chipset. I have a pinout but no datasheet. There doesn't seem to be as lot on the F-11 set. I looked in

Re: Webinar: Ethernet's Emergence from Xerox PARC: 1975-1980

2022-03-28 Thread Grant Taylor via cctalk
On 3/28/22 12:09 PM, Nigel Johnson Ham via cctalk wrote: OK, it was wireless, but that brings up another surprise, that wireless ethernet came before wired :-) As others have indicated, I think not. ;-) I recently watched the following videos of Bob Metcalfe: - Link - Ethernet Briefings in

Re: FTGH: DEC Networks & Comm Buyer's Guide, Letterprinter 210/LA50 manuals

2022-03-28 Thread Grant Taylor via cctalk
On 3/27/22 8:50 PM, Toby Thain via cctalk wrote: Hi, Hi Toby, Digital Networks & Communications Buyer's Guide 1987 April-June Can I get a bit more of a description as to what might be in that document? I've got an (unhealthy) interest in old networking equipment and might be interested

RE: PDP 11/24 - A Step Backwards

2022-03-28 Thread Rob Jarratt via cctalk
Its 600mV, but it is more of a spike than a ripple. Here is a trace: https://rjarratt.files.wordpress.com/2022/03/pin-1-5v-ripple.jpg Regards Rob > -Original Message- > From: Wayne S > Sent: 28 March 2022 23:15 > To: r...@jarratt.me.uk; Rob Jarratt ; General > Discussion: On-Topic and

RE: PDP 11/24 - A Step Backwards

2022-03-28 Thread Rob Jarratt via cctalk
> -Original Message- > From: cctalk On Behalf Of Chris Zach via > cctalk > Sent: 28 March 2022 20:57 > To: cctalk@classiccmp.org > Subject: Re: PDP 11/24 - A Step Backwards > > > I don't think the CPU is working at all. The reason being that there > > is absolutely no LED activity.

Re: HP 9915A failed 8048

2022-03-28 Thread Curious Marc via cctalk
Awesome! Congrats to everyone involved! Marc > On Mar 28, 2022, at 12:24 PM, js--- via cctalk wrote: > >  >> On 2022-02-25 16:09, js--- via cctalk wrote: >> >> Hi, folks. >> >> I've a HP 9915A computer with an interesting problem. The motherboard >> utilizes a ceramic Intel D8048 chip.

Re: PDP 11/24 - A Step Backwards

2022-03-28 Thread Nigel Johnson Ham via cctalk
On 2022-03-28 15:49, Jonathan Chapman via cctalk wrote: What surprises me (a little) is that there is a commercial outfit willing to work on something so old. It's essentially what we do. I doubt there's a directory of all the small shops that work on legacy equipment, but consider that some

Re: PDP 11/24 - A Step Backwards

2022-03-28 Thread Chris Zach via cctalk
I don't think the CPU is working at all. The reason being that there is absolutely no LED activity. Including an LED that is supposed to indicate a clock. Having hopefully eliminated all the power voltages it left me wondering if there was a fault on the CPU or in the PSU. Having had activity on

RE: PDP 11/24 - A Step Backwards

2022-03-28 Thread Rob Jarratt via cctalk
> -Original Message- > From: cctalk On Behalf Of Antonio Carlini > via cctalk > Sent: 28 March 2022 07:50 > To: cctalk@classiccmp.org > Subject: Re: PDP 11/24 - A Step Backwards > > On 28/03/2022 04:57, Tony Duell via cctalk wrote: > > > > Very little of the stuff I've bought new has

RE: PDP 11/24 - A Step Backwards

2022-03-28 Thread Rob Jarratt via cctalk
> -Original Message- > From: cctalk On Behalf Of Chris Zach via > cctalk > Sent: 27 March 2022 19:48 > To: cctalk@classiccmp.org > Subject: Re: PDP 11/24 - A Step Backwards > > Bigger question is who repaired the power supply "under warranty"? A company called Radwell International.

Re: PDP 11/24 - A Step Backwards

2022-03-28 Thread Jonathan Chapman via cctalk
> What surprises me (a little) is that there is a commercial outfit > willing to work on something so old. It's essentially what we do. I doubt there's a directory of all the small shops that work on legacy equipment, but consider that some of this stuff runs CNC machines that are still in use.

RE: PDP 11/24 - A Step Backwards

2022-03-28 Thread Rob Jarratt via cctalk
Thanks for the lengthy reply. Some responses inline below. > -Original Message- > From: Noel Chiappa > Sent: 27 March 2022 21:09 > To: cctalk@classiccmp.org > Cc: j...@mercury.lcs.mit.edu > Subject: RE: PDP 11/24 - A Step Backwards > > > From: Rob Jarratt > > > today I went

Re: HP 9915A failed 8048

2022-03-28 Thread js--- via cctalk
On 2022-02-25 16:09, js--- via cctalk wrote: Hi, folks. I've a HP 9915A computer with an interesting problem. The motherboard utilizes a ceramic Intel D8048 chip. The problem is that this 8048 has a crack right across the top middle of it, and half of the top of the chip has

Re: Webinar: Ethernet's Emergence from Xerox PARC: 1975-1980

2022-03-28 Thread Paul Koning via cctalk
> On Mar 28, 2022, at 2:12 PM, Joseph S. Barrera III via cctalk > wrote: > > That was the ALOHA network, which inspired Ethernet but was not Ethernet. The differences are quite crucial. ALOHA is a broadcast radio packet network, which doesn't have collision detect and probably not carrier

Re: Webinar: Ethernet's Emergence from Xerox PARC: 1975-1980

2022-03-28 Thread Joseph S. Barrera III via cctalk
That was the ALOHA network, which inspired Ethernet but was not Ethernet. On Mon, Mar 28, 2022 at 11:09 AM Nigel Johnson Ham via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > For years I taught my students that the Ethernet was invented at the > University of Hawaii in 1971! > > OK, it was wireless,

Re: Webinar: Ethernet's Emergence from Xerox PARC: 1975-1980

2022-03-28 Thread Nigel Johnson Ham via cctalk
For years I taught my students that the Ethernet was invented at the University of Hawaii in 1971! OK, it was wireless, but that brings up another surprise, that wireless ethernet came before wired :-) cheers, Nigel Nigel Johnson, MSc., MIEEE, MCSE VE3ID/G4AJQ/VA3MCU Amateur Radio, the

Webinar: Ethernet's Emergence from Xerox PARC: 1975-1980

2022-03-28 Thread Tom Gardner via cctalk
Ethernet invented in 1973-74 at Xerox PARC in Palo Alto, CA, evolved over many years. This April 13th Webinar will trace the history and development of Ethernet as a 10 Mb/s product up through the release of the DIX (DEC-Intel-Xerox) spec in 1980. This was the starting point for the ongoing

Re: PDP 11/24 - A Step Backwards

2022-03-28 Thread Antonio Carlini via cctalk
On 28/03/2022 04:57, Tony Duell via cctalk wrote: Very little of the stuff I've bought new has had such seals (with some things, like my audio equipment, you are _expected_ to remove the covers, the user manuals tell you how. They also include the full schematics). Ditto test gear (if there is