[cctalk] Re: Computer Museum uses GreaseWeazle to help exonerate Maryland Man

On Thu, Jan 19, 2023, 10:18 PM Jim Brain via cctalk wrote: > > cheaper than KryoFLux (I believe it was designed as a rebuttal for the > high priced and "walled garden" nature of KryoFlux) or other related > projects like DiscFerret and/or discontinued solutions like CatWeazel > (which was a plug

[cctalk] Re: Computer Museum uses GreaseWeazle to help exonerate Maryland Man

On Thu, Jan 19, 2023, 9:55 PM Bill Degnan via cctalk wrote: > My catweasel 4, which I assume is more or less the same thing works fine in > a p3 pentium system. Is the hreaseweazle totally different? > The above is a PCI card, no? From early 2000s? The grease weasel is - as already stated -

[cctalk] Re: Computer Museum uses GreaseWeazle to help exonerate Maryland Man

Just one comment: using the GreaseWeazle makes sense here, but other options would include seeking out the help of the community. For example, 5.25 inch floppy drives are widely available, and reading RX50 format on an ordinary drive in Linux is a trivial exercise. Similarly, feeding the

[cctalk] Re: [SPAM] LINC-8 sells for $2,150

Confirmed that the LINC in question is now at the Computer Museum @ System Source This one is in great condition (except for the large live spider) Pictures from unloading the truck https://photos.app.goo.gl/2GvqTQukSEEnyoQp8 Bob Roswell mus...@syssrc.com

[cctalk] Re: [SPAM] LINC-8 sells for $2,150

Cool! Let me know when you get it running, I've got a box of LINCTapes I wanted to read from the pdp12. CZ On 1/19/2023 4:29 PM, rar--- via cctalk wrote: We (Computer Museum @ System Source) picked up this unit today. Here are a few snapshots after we pulled the unit off of the truck.

[cctalk] Re: AI applied to vintage interests

The majority of the examples in the textbook were just simple decision trees!   Trivial to flowchart.  And if you can follow a troubleshooting flowchart, you are already doing what the "expert system" does. Pretty much. I remember typing in "Animal Guess" on my Vic-20 from an article in

[cctalk] Re: Computer Museum uses GreaseWeazle to help exonerate Maryland Man

On 1/19/2023 11:55 PM, Bill Degnan via cctalk wrote: My catweasel 4, which I assume is more or less the same thing works fine in a p3 pentium system. Is the hreaseweazle totally different? It is.  It's a small STM32-based uC that supports USB, and so can be loaded with firmware to look like

[cctalk] Re: Computer Museum uses GreaseWeazle to help exonerate Maryland Man

On 1/19/23 21:55, Bill Degnan via cctalk wrote: > My catweasel 4, which I assume is more or less the same thing works fine in > a p3 pentium system. Is the hreaseweazle totally different? > Not really. I do the same as the Catweasel, but with a STM32F407 board running at 168MHz. The capture

[cctalk] Re: AI applied to vintage interests

On 1/19/23 16:59, Jon Elson via cctalk wrote: > A major problem with the Forbin project is when I first saw it, I knew > that the permissive action link in the nuclear-armed missile would > prevent it from being detonated in the silo.  The PAL requires > acceleration of liftoff, coast and

[cctalk] Re: Computer Museum uses GreaseWeazle to help exonerate Maryland Man

On 1/19/23 17:22, Tony Jones via cctalk wrote: > The first thing one should do is obtain an image of the disk. I'd hate > for some guy to continue to have a conviction on their record because some > (well meaning) community member messed up the disk. > Does anyone remember the TV series "The

[cctalk] Re: Computer Museum uses GreaseWeazle to help exonerate Maryland Man

My catweasel 4, which I assume is more or less the same thing works fine in a p3 pentium system. Is the hreaseweazle totally different? On Fri, Jan 20, 2023, 12:28 AM Tony Jones via cctalk wrote: > On Thu, Jan 19, 2023 at 9:14 PM Jim Brain via cctalk < > cctalk@classiccmp.org> > wrote: > > > >

[cctalk] Re: Computer Museum uses GreaseWeazle to help exonerate Maryland Man

On Thu, Jan 19, 2023 at 9:14 PM Jim Brain via cctalk wrote: > > Maybe 5170 means something different to everyone else here than it does > to me (I thought it meant IBM PC AT), but GW requires a machine capable > of USB, and I think the system needs to run either a recent version of > Windows or

[cctalk] Re: Computer Museum uses GreaseWeazle to help exonerate Maryland Man

I have had good luck with generic early Pentium systems (pre P-4) that still have a BIOS that can handle 5 1/4" drives. Best of both worlds in that you get he USB support too. AT the Kennett Classic museum it's a service we offer to make disk images, we have a lot of walk in traffic to copy old

[cctalk] Re: Computer Museum uses GreaseWeazle to help exonerate Maryland Man

On 1/19/2023 9:28 PM, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: On Fri, 20 Jan 2023, Chris via cctalk wrote: So the ideal setup for best utilizing a GW is what? Or does it not matter if it's a 5150 or a Pentium4? I would recommend 5170 (AT), to also have the 500K bps data transfer rate of its FDC.

[cctalk] Re: Disk pack production tools

Most white LEDs are really blue LEDs with a thin yellow phosphor coating (the eye sees yellow as red + green). I doubt they have much energy in the IR range. IR LED is probably the way to go. How hard is it to get to that bulb? Marc On Thu, Jan 19, 2023 at 4:02 PM Paul Koning via cctalk <

[cctalk] Re: Computer Museum uses GreaseWeazle to help exonerate Maryland Man

Yeah I've heard rumors to that effect. Iirc my first serverboard, an Intel dual socket 771 s5000vsa4dimmr ssi-eeb EATX behemoth didn't have sloppy support. Which was so weird to me. I had to sell it. Luckily I found a 5170 a few years ago. These 2 ~18 year old kids were carrying it out to the

[cctalk] Re: Computer Museum uses GreaseWeazle to help exonerate Maryland Man

On Fri, 20 Jan 2023, Chris via cctalk wrote: So the ideal setup for best utilizing a GW is what? Or does it not matter if it's a 5150 or a Pentium4? I would recommend 5170 (AT), to also have the 500K bps data transfer rate of its FDC. Newer PCs often have unnecessary complications. Many no

[cctalk] Re: Computer Museum uses GreaseWeazle to help exonerate Maryland Man

So the ideal setup for best utilizing a GW is what? Or does it not matter if it's a 5150 or a Pentium4? I habe an early GW board (bare)? Should I populate that? Or is it essential to have the latest (rec. 4?)?

[cctalk] Re: Computer Museum uses GreaseWeazle to help exonerate Maryland Man

I think folks are being too MFM-centric in their responses to this question. "ImageDisk can identify, read and write any disk format that a PC floppy controller can handle — so *it can do most FM/MFM formats*, but not Amiga disks with odd timing, or Commodore 8-bit disks with GCR encoding. "

[cctalk] Re: Computer Museum uses GreaseWeazle to help exonerate Maryland Man

http://www.xenosoft.com/fmts.html is a list of the formats that I had managed to do on PC by Y2K. Note that that was reading, deciphering, and displaying a DIRectory, and then copying selected FILES. Not a raw dump. File content, such as loading Wordstar files into WordPervert, is a

[cctalk] Re: Computer Museum uses GreaseWeazle to help exonerate Maryland Man

On Fri, 20 Jan 2023, Chris via cctalk wrote: Ok. So it's ultimately superior to using s/w alone. So what disks can't be read by a pc (does the uP matter?) equipped with 1? Just curious of a few examples, not expecting a comprehensive list. If there are any. I haven't encountered any

[cctalk] Re: Computer Museum uses GreaseWeazle to help exonerate Maryland Man

This is an interesting article on Kryoflux. GreaseWeazle is basically an open-source equivalent. http://practicaltechnologyforarchives.org/issue2_waugh On Thu, Jan 19, 2023 at 7:00 PM Chris via cctalk wrote: > @ Fred > > I remember Chuck making reference to "a" Squid some time ago. It

[cctalk] Re: Computer Museum uses GreaseWeazle to help exonerate Maryland Man

On 1/19/2023 8:23 PM, Chris via cctalk wrote: I have to be honest at this point. A disk srive in some sense "responds" in some sense to changes in flux density around the surface of disks. So what is the GW picking up, other then what the drive is already reading? It's an interim device that

[cctalk] Re: [SPAM] LINC-8 sells for $2,150

The machine is in great condition. It was (carefully) turned on this evening! Blinking Lights! Bob Roswell

[cctalk] Re: Computer Museum uses GreaseWeazle to help exonerate Maryland Man

@ Fred I remember Chuck making reference to "a" Squid some time ago. It turns out the term refers to software. I had suspected it was much more.

[cctalk] Re: Computer Museum uses GreaseWeazle to help exonerate Maryland Man

On Thu, Jan 19, 2023 at 6:49 PM Chris via cctalk wrote: > Ok. So it's ultimately superior to using s/w alone. > I have no idea what you're asking here. If you're tired, this thread will still be here tomorrow :)

[cctalk] Re: Computer Museum uses GreaseWeazle to help exonerate Maryland Man

Ok. So it's ultimately superior to using s/w alone. So what disks can't be read by a pc (does the uP matter?) equipped with 1? Just curious of a few examples, not expecting a comprehensive list. If there are any. On Thursday, January 19, 2023, 09:39:21 PM EST, Fred Cisin via cctalk

[cctalk] Re: Computer Museum uses GreaseWeazle to help exonerate Maryland Man

On Fri, 20 Jan 2023, Chris via cctalk wrote: Now this ia going to sound naive, but could't every law firm and attorney general in the country be informed of the possibility of retrieving data from old disks? And their volatility? And what to and not to do with an old disk until it's put in

[cctalk] Re: AI applied to vintage interests

On Mon, Jan 16, 2023 at 07:42:41PM -0800, Sellam Abraham via cctalk wrote: > Me: Translate the disassembly of the boot sector code for PC DOS 1.0 into > 7080 autocoder. > > ChatGPT: "It is not possible to simply translate the disassembly of the > boot sector code for PC DOS 1.0 into 7080

[cctalk] Re: Computer Museum uses GreaseWeazle to help exonerate Maryland Man

I'm very very tired. Apologies. On Thursday, January 19, 2023, 09:41:13 PM EST, Tony Jones via cctalk wrote: On Thu, Jan 19, 2023 at 6:36 PM Chris via cctalk wrote: >  If we're talking about the same diskimage program, I thought it ran under > MS/PC-DOS? > Do you mean imagedisk? 

[cctalk] Re: Computer Museum uses GreaseWeazle to help exonerate Maryland Man

On Thu, Jan 19, 2023 at 6:36 PM Chris via cctalk wrote: > If we're talking about the same diskimage program, I thought it ran under > MS/PC-DOS? > Do you mean imagedisk? It's still talking to the drive via the PC's disk controller.

[cctalk] Re: Computer Museum uses GreaseWeazle to help exonerate Maryland Man

On Fri, 20 Jan 2023, Chris via cctalk wrote: I have to be honest at this point. A disk srive in some sense "responds" in some sense to changes in flux density around the surface of disks. So what is the GW picking up, other then what the drive is already reading? It's an interim device that

[cctalk] Re: Computer Museum uses GreaseWeazle to help exonerate Maryland Man

If we're talking about the same diskimage program, I thought it ran under MS/PC-DOS? On Thursday, January 19, 2023, 09:27:47 PM EST, Tony Jones via cctalk wrote: On Thu, Jan 19, 2023 at 6:23 PM Chris via cctalk wrote: > Does it read a disk better then say Diskimage can? It

[cctalk] Re: Computer Museum uses GreaseWeazle to help exonerate Maryland Man

Now this ia going to sound naive, but could't every law firm and attorney general in the country be informed of the possibility of retrieving data from old disks? And their volatility? And what to and not to do with an old disk until it's put in the hands of someone that could retrieve data?

[cctalk] Re: Computer Museum uses GreaseWeazle to help exonerate Maryland Man

On Thu, Jan 19, 2023 at 6:23 PM Chris via cctalk wrote: > Does it read a disk better then say Diskimage can? It depends on what DiskImage is running on. There is presumably an OS and drivers between it and the raw media.

[cctalk] Re: Computer Museum uses GreaseWeazle to help exonerate Maryland Man

I have to be honest at this point. A disk srive in some sense "responds" in some sense to changes in flux density around the surface of disks. So what is the GW picking up, other then what the drive is already reading? It's an interim device that sits between the drive amd the cable. It makes

[cctalk] Re: Computer Museum uses GreaseWeazle to help exonerate Maryland Man

On Thu, Jan 19, 2023 at 5:41 PM Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: > On Thu, 19 Jan 2023, Sellam Abraham via cctalk wrote: > > SysSrc has a web presence with an accessible front end and--most > > importantly--promotion. In comparison, to "enter" the CC list, you have > to > > walk down a dark

[cctalk] Re: Computer Museum uses GreaseWeazle to help exonerate Maryland Man

My point here is that the community is substantial and contains vast expertise on many details of old machinery. So my guess is that an email to the list saying "hey, I need to recover the contents of files on an RSX RX50 floppy, what is the easiest and most reliable way to do that" would have

[cctalk] Re: Computer Museum uses GreaseWeazle to help exonerate Maryland Man

If my 2 cents matters (not likely), I didn't see it as an argument either. An ancient DEC disk should best be handled by someone with loads of specific DEC knowledge. If there are other ways to solve the problem, and there often are, hey use them. Are there any formats a GW can't handle? What

[cctalk] Re: Computer Museum uses GreaseWeazle to help exonerate Maryland Man

> On Jan 19, 2023, at 8:24 PM, Sellam Abraham via cctalk > wrote: > > On Thu, Jan 19, 2023 at 5:13 PM Paul Koning via cctalk < > cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > >> My point here is that the community is substantial and contains vast >> expertise on many details of old machinery. So my

[cctalk] Re: Computer Museum uses GreaseWeazle to help exonerate Maryland Man

On Thu, Jan 19, 2023 at 5:27 PM Paul Koning wrote: > > > I don't think I'm picking an argument. All I meant to do is observe that > the classic computing community is a large group with a massive amount of > knowledge, > ok but they did achieve a successful resolution. i hope if they had

[cctalk] Re: Computer Museum uses GreaseWeazle to help exonerate Maryland Man

> On Jan 19, 2023, at 8:22 PM, Tony Jones via cctalk > wrote: > > On Thu, Jan 19, 2023 at 5:13 PM Paul Koning via cctalk < > cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > >> >> True. But if it is known to be a DEC (RX50) disk, reading it from Linux >> is a well known standard thing to do. I have been

[cctalk] Re: Computer Museum uses GreaseWeazle to help exonerate Maryland Man

On Thu, Jan 19, 2023 at 5:13 PM Paul Koning via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > My point here is that the community is substantial and contains vast > expertise on many details of old machinery. So my guess is that an email > to the list saying "hey, I need to recover the contents of

[cctalk] Re: Computer Museum uses GreaseWeazle to help exonerate Maryland Man

On Thu, Jan 19, 2023 at 5:13 PM Paul Koning via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > > True. But if it is known to be a DEC (RX50) disk, reading it from Linux > is a well known standard thing to do. I have been doing it for more than > 20 years, with RSTSFLX (writing, too). Standard PC

[cctalk] Re: Computer Museum uses GreaseWeazle to help exonerate Maryland Man

> On Jan 19, 2023, at 6:03 PM, Jim Brain via cctalk > wrote: > > On 1/19/2023 3:38 PM, Paul Koning via cctalk wrote: >> >>> On Jan 19, 2023, at 4:31 PM, rar--- via cctalk >>> wrote: >>> >>> Museum Staff Helps Exonerate David Veney >>> >>> January 19, 2023, Hunt Valley, MD — Staff

[cctalk] Re: [SPAM] LINC-8 sells for $2,150

You got an amazing bargain. I was expecting at least a magnitude higher price. On Fri, 20 Jan 2023, 8:29 am rar--- via cctalk, wrote: > We (Computer Museum @ System Source) picked up this unit today. > Here are a few snapshots after we pulled the unit off of the truck. > >

[cctalk] Fwd: Re: AI applied to vintage interests

Forwarded Message Subject:Re: [cctalk] Re: AI applied to vintage interests Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2023 18:59:11 -0600 From: Jon Elson To: Sellam Abraham via cctalk On 1/19/23 15:25, Sellam Abraham via cctalk wrote: On Thu, Jan 19, 2023 at 12:43 PM Chris via

[cctalk] Re: AI applied to vintage interests

On 1/19/23 15:25, Sellam Abraham via cctalk wrote: On Thu, Jan 19, 2023 at 12:43 PM Chris via cctalk wrote: All I can say is if you haven't watched Terminator: the Sarah Connor Chronicles ... um why not? I didn't even know it existed prior to 3 years ago. Actually pretty thought provoking

[cctalk] Re: Computer Museum uses GreaseWeazle to help exonerate Maryland Man

On 1/19/2023 3:38 PM, Paul Koning via cctalk wrote: On Jan 19, 2023, at 4:31 PM, rar--- via cctalk wrote: Museum Staff Helps Exonerate David Veney January 19, 2023, Hunt Valley, MD — Staff members of the System Source Computer Museum recently completed a project that helped exonerate David

[cctalk] Re: Computer Museum uses GreaseWeazle to help exonerate Maryland Man

Great story. Now ... what should I do with my rev. 1 GW circuit board? Toss it and get the latest? Or it still any good?

[cctalk] Re: Fw: Re: AI applied to vintage interests

On 2023-01-19 3:01 p.m., Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: I think that self-driving cars should be required to have a licensed driver with hands on the wheel at 10 and 2, or 9 and 3. On Thu, 19 Jan 2023, Sellam Abraham via cctalk wrote: 10 & 2??  What are you, old or something? Modern training

[cctalk] Re: AI applied to vintage interests

I personally would love to hear the conversation. But I don't want to be pot stirrer. And as devoted a Republican as I am (HA!), I'll be the first to say every party has it's ample share of idiots. On Thursday, January 19, 2023, 04:29:29 PM EST, Sellam Abraham via cctalk wrote: On

[cctalk] Re: Fw: Re: AI applied to vintage interests

I think that self-driving cars should be required to have a licensed driver with hands on the wheel at 10 and 2, or 9 and 3. On Thu, 19 Jan 2023, Sellam Abraham via cctalk wrote: 10 & 2?? What are you, old or something? Modern training specifies 8 & 4 At least that's what I learned at the

[cctalk] Re: Fw: Re: AI applied to vintage interests

@ Fred - it just might be the requirements to get a license aren't stringent enough.

[cctalk] Re: Computer Museum uses GreaseWeazle to help exonerate Maryland Man

On Thu, Jan 19, 2023 at 1:31 PM rar--- via cctalk wrote: > Museum Staff Helps Exonerate David Veney > Fantastic. Thank you for doing this. Wrongful conviction (especially of rape) is an egregious part of our "justice" system that happens more than most people know (or even care to know, which

[cctalk] Re: Computer Museum uses GreaseWeazle to help exonerate Maryland Man

> On Jan 19, 2023, at 4:31 PM, rar--- via cctalk wrote: > > Museum Staff Helps Exonerate David Veney > > January 19, 2023, Hunt Valley, MD — Staff members of the System Source > Computer Museum recently completed a project that helped exonerate David > Veney, wrongly convicted of rape in

[cctalk] Computer Museum uses GreaseWeazle to help exonerate Maryland Man

Museum Staff Helps Exonerate David Veney January 19, 2023, Hunt Valley, MD — Staff members of the System Source Computer Museum recently completed a project that helped exonerate David Veney, wrongly convicted of rape in 1997. In 2005, after Mr. Veney sought a new trial, the state found

[cctalk] Re: Fw: Re: AI applied to vintage interests

On Thu, Jan 19, 2023 at 1:20 PM Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: > I think that self-driving cars should be required to have a licensed > driver with hands on the wheel at 10 and 2, or 9 and 3. > 10 & 2?? What are you, old or something? Modern training specifies 8 & 4 At least that's what I

[cctalk] Computer Museum uses GreaseWeazle to help exonerate Maryland Man

Museum Staff Helps Exonerate David Veney January 19, 2023, Hunt Valley, MD — Staff members of the System Source Computer Museum recently completed a project that helped exonerate David Veney, wrongly convicted of rape in 1997. In 2005, after Mr. Veney sought a new trial, the state found

[cctalk] Re: AI applied to vintage interests

On Thu, Jan 19, 2023 at 1:17 PM Ali via cctalk wrote: > > > I don't know. I always thought it was kind of a nice idea. Doctors fer > > instance are so stupid these days. They need all the help they can get. > > In what way are they so stupid? > I could answer this pretty much definitively but

[cctalk] Re: [SPAM] LINC-8 sells for $2,150

We (Computer Museum @ System Source) picked up this unit today. Here are a few snapshots after we pulled the unit off of the truck. https://photos.app.goo.gl/2GvqTQukSEEnyoQp8 Bob Roswell

[cctalk] Re: AI applied to vintage interests

On Thu, Jan 19, 2023 at 12:43 PM Chris via cctalk wrote: > All I can say is if you haven't watched Terminator: the Sarah Connor > Chronicles ... um why not? I didn't even know it existed prior to 3 years > ago. Actually pretty thought provoking at times. Maybe ChatGPT will end up > being like

[cctalk] Re: AI applied to vintage interests

On 1/19/23 12:25, Sellam Abraham via cctalk wrote: > At least the machines care ;) > I'm reminded of an episode of "The Outer Limits", where even the prison psychiatrist is an AI. https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0667983/ --Chuck

[cctalk] Re: Fw: Re: AI applied to vintage interests

On Thu, 19 Jan 2023, Chris via cctalk wrote: When they prove idiots will be far less prone to hit me, I'll be for that. I'll still choose to drive myself though. If you give someone else the keys, you may wind up going somewhere you don't want to. That'a what happens when you trade your

[cctalk] Re: AI applied to vintage interests

> I don't know. I always thought it was kind of a nice idea. Doctors fer > instance are so stupid these days. They need all the help they can get. In what way are they so stupid? -Ali

[cctalk] Re: AI applied to vintage interests

On 2023-01-19 07:05, Chris via cctalk wrote: The question is what type of information has the ai been programmed to deliver. Higjly accurate technical info? Or info that is suitable for the umwashed masses? On Thu, 19 Jan 2023, emanuel stiebler via cctalk wrote: Old rule for all data

[cctalk] Re: Disk pack production tools

> On Jan 19, 2023, at 2:46 PM, David Gesswein via cctalk > wrote: > > On Wed, Jan 18, 2023 at 12:42:26PM -0600, Jon Elson wrote: >> On 1/17/23 21:18, Marc Howard via cctalk wrote: >>> Does anyone know if that light bulb is still available? I’m not sure what >>> the response of that photo

[cctalk] Re: Disk pack production tools

On Wed, Jan 18, 2023 at 12:42:26PM -0600, Jon Elson wrote: > On 1/17/23 21:18, Marc Howard via cctalk wrote: > > Does anyone know if that light bulb is still available? I’m not sure what > > the response of that photo sensor is and that might rule out using a led > > replacement. The fact that

[cctalk] Re: AI applied to vintage interests

All I can say is if you haven't watched Terminator: the Sarah Connor Chronicles ... um why not? I didn't even know it existed prior to 3 years ago. Actually pretty thought provoking at times. Maybe ChatGPT will end up being like John Henry and save us from the terminators. Quite tje opposite

[cctalk] Re: AI applied to vintage interests

On Thu, Jan 19, 2023 at 11:54 AM Bill Degnan via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > Has Chatgtp absorbed the CCTALK/TECH lists? Someone should do a test. It > would be easy if you pick an esoteric question that was probably only > asked/answered on this list. I kinda have been avoiding

[cctalk] Re: AI applied to vintage interests

On 19/01/2023 20:25, Sellam Abraham via cctalk wrote: At least the machines care ;) Sellam That's possibly the best epitaph any of us will ever get :-) Antonio -- Antonio Carlini anto...@acarlini.com

[cctalk] Re: AI applied to vintage interests

Me: What can you tell me about the Classic Computers mailing list? ChatGPT: I'm sorry, I am not aware of any specific "Classic Computers mailing list." Could you provide more information or context about the mailing list you are asking about? Me: It was started in 1997 by Bill Whitson and

[cctalk] Re: AI applied to vintage interests

@ Fred C. I don't know. I always thought it was kind of a nice idea. Doctors fer instance are so stupid these days. They need all the help they can get. An expert system back in the 80s w/o the level of collaboration we have possible today may not have been worth much. But such a system that

[cctalk] Re: AI applied to vintage interests

OMG! At least I'm not alone in my paranoia about this stuff. All I can say is don't go sending your DNA off to some lab to see who yer great^n grandaddy was. Then there's less chance of the forthcoming Superbrain AI knowing which switches in which strand of DNA need to flipped to turn you

[cctalk] Re: AI applied to vintage interests

Has Chatgtp absorbed the CCTALK/TECH lists? Someone should do a test. It would be easy if you pick an esoteric question that was probably only asked/answered on this list. I kinda have been avoiding setting up an account with CHATGPT because I feel like it would be too intrusive into my life,

[cctalk] Re: AI applied to vintage interests

Coincidentally, I just saw this article on CNN: https://www.cnn.com/2023/01/19/tech/chatgpt-future-davos/index.html I think it says more about the state of education, even among the "elite," than it does about the state of "AI." But that's just me. Will

[cctalk] Re: AI applied to vintage interests

On Thu, 19 Jan 2023, Chris via cctalk wrote: Long live PROLOG dude! Something I've never delved into but am fascinated by. Expert systems are just tricked out database systems. I have to imagine they are used. They just never lived up to the hype. AI in any form, I suppose, will make real

[cctalk] Fw: Re: AI applied to vintage interests

Not sure if my reply made it to the list. Yahoo seems to indicate it didn't - When they prove idiots will be far less prone to hit me, I'll be for that. I'll still choose to drive myself though. If you give someone else the keys, you may wind up going somewhere you don't want to. That'a what

[cctalk] Re: AI applied to vintage interests

On 19/01/2023 15:25, Chris via cctalk wrote: Never been in an accident that wasn't TOTALLY AND ENTIRELY the fault of the other driver. And in both instances they hit me. So after 38 years of driving, I need a computer to do it for me. Sorry I'll pass. Maybe 10(+?) years from now, assuming L5

[cctalk] Re: AI applied to vintage interests

@ Bill Gunshannon Long live PROLOG dude! Something I've never delved into but am fascinated by. Expert systems are just tricked out database systems. I have to imagine they are used. They just never lived up to the hype. AI in any form, I suppose, will make real what many had as a vision for

[cctalk] Re: AI applied to vintage interests

On 2023-01-19 07:05, Chris via cctalk wrote: The question is what type of information has the ai been programmed to deliver. Higjly accurate technical info? Or info that is suitable for the umwashed masses? Old rule for all data collections: SH*T in, SH*T out

[cctalk] Re: AI applied to vintage interests

On 1/19/23 07:05, Chris via cctalk wrote: The question is what type of information has the ai been programmed to deliver. Higjly accurate technical info? Or info that is suitable for the umwashed masses? Could the ai be called upon to assist a surgeon doing a type of operation for the first

[cctalk] Re: AI applied to vintage interests

But "we" or "they" have been calling the IBM PC a 16 bit computer for ages. The question is what type of information has the ai been programmed to deliver. Higjly accurate technical info? Or info that is suitable for the umwashed masses? Could the ai be called upon to assist a surgeon doing a

[cctalk] Re: AI applied to vintage interests

Whew, this could destroy all recorded knowledge if it goes on contaminating information repositories like this. That's a good point: There are already a number of crap web sites that purport to have information, only it's been scraped from other sites and re-branded as a mish-mosh for search