[cctalk] Re: Gb Ethernet and 10Mb links

2023-05-28 Thread Jonathan Chapman via cctalk
Best thing to do is keep an old 10mbit switch or hub around with 100mbit or gigabit uplink. Second best thing is to have a router that will talk 10mbit half duplex. I've also found some poorly behaved stuff that won't autonegotiate duplex even with older switches, like my 3Com SuperStack II.

[cctalk] Re: Getting floppy images to/from real floppy disks.

2023-05-28 Thread Adrian Godwin via cctalk
On Sun, May 28, 2023 at 7:18 AM Tony Duell via cctalk wrote: > > > > Tony, I don't recall what became of the AT with 486 replacement > > processor that used to be your main home machine. ISTR it had loads of > > different floppy drives hung off it. Is it still functional / > repairable? > >

[cctalk] Re: Gb Ethernet and 10Mb links

2023-05-28 Thread Craig Ruff via cctalk
> On May 28, 2023, at 14:18, Paul Koning wrote: > > Dropped support for it on 10 Mb links? That seems like a crazy change to > make. I know it was defined but basically unused at higher speeds. No just the half duplex part of the standard. The 10 Mb/s full duplex links are still

[cctalk] Re: Gb Ethernet and 10Mb links

2023-05-28 Thread Paul Koning via cctalk
> On May 28, 2023, at 1:46 PM, Craig Ruff via cctalk > wrote: > > FYI: The Ethernet standards dropped support for half duplex connections a few > years back, so that if you have something that depends on half duplex links a > recent Ethernet switch might not support it. Dropped support

[cctalk] Re: Gb Ethernet and 10Mb links

2023-05-28 Thread Peter Ekstrom via cctalk
I found that out the hard way recently when I acquired my AS/400 and the 10Mb/s card for it. It did not like talking to my 10/100/1000 switch at all. And of course I had recently gotten rid of my old 10Mb/s hub I had been saving for a couple of decades... Had to resort to eBay for an ancient hub.

[cctalk] Gb Ethernet and 10Mb links

2023-05-28 Thread Craig Ruff via cctalk
FYI: The Ethernet standards dropped support for half duplex connections a few years back, so that if you have something that depends on half duplex links a recent Ethernet switch might not support it.

[cctalk] Re: Getting floppy images to/from real floppy disks.

2023-05-28 Thread Chuck Guzis via cctalk
On 5/28/23 09:17, Tony Duell wrote: > I've come across the former and have the datasheets. From what I > recall it was common to use it a control store sequencer and have > microcode ROMs wider than the 8X300 needed, the extra bits were used > to directly control hardware. Power hog (well, it

[cctalk] Re: Getting floppy images to/from real floppy disks.

2023-05-28 Thread Tony Duell via cctalk
On Sun, May 28, 2023 at 4:36 PM Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: > All of these flux-transition gizmos, whether or not they're the > Applesauce, Greaseweazle, Catweasel, Fluxengine, Deviceside work > exactly the same way. A counter free-runs, and every time there's > change in direction of

[cctalk] Re: Getting floppy images to/from real floppy disks.

2023-05-28 Thread Chuck Guzis via cctalk
On 5/28/23 07:54, Tony Duell via cctalk wrote: >> I'm suprised to hear you're familliar with the GreaseWeasel but have > Most of my computers [1] use normal FM or MFM disks and I would hope > the Greaseweazle software could handle that.If I can convert to/from a > disk image file I can probably

[cctalk] Re: Getting floppy images to/from real floppy disks.

2023-05-28 Thread Tony Duell via cctalk
On Sun, May 28, 2023 at 2:32 PM Adrian Godwin via cctalk wrote: > > Tony, > > An instrument slightly more to your taste than a PC might a 16500b logic > analyser. Perhaps you've already got one. I believe these can work with > both LIF and MSDOS floppies and uses an IDE HDD (which can painlessly

[cctalk] Re: Getting floppy images to/from real floppy disks.

2023-05-28 Thread Tony Duell via cctalk
> I'm suprised to hear you're familliar with the GreaseWeasel but have > never heard of BlueSCSI. ( https://scsi.blue/ ). Though SASI > compatability seems "possible but not guaranteed", being an open source > project, you can probably wangle the existing PCB's/software to be SASI > compliant.

[cctalk] Re: Getting floppy images to/from real floppy disks.

2023-05-28 Thread Joshua Rice via cctalk
-- Original Message -- From: "Tony Duell via cctalk" To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" Cc: phi...@axeside.co.uk; "Tony Duell" Sent: Sunday, 28 May, 2023 At 07:17 Subject: [cctalk] Re: Getting floppy images to/from real floppy disks. I suspect USB-SCSI

[cctalk] Re: Getting floppy images to/from real floppy disks.

2023-05-28 Thread Adrian Godwin via cctalk
Tony, An instrument slightly more to your taste than a PC might a 16500b logic analyser. Perhaps you've already got one. I believe these can work with both LIF and MSDOS floppies and uses an IDE HDD (which can painlessly be replaced with CF card) in DOS format internally. I don't know if it will

[cctalk] Re: Getting floppy images to/from real floppy disks.

2023-05-28 Thread Alexander Schreiber via cctalk
On Sun, May 28, 2023 at 07:17:54AM +0100, Tony Duell via cctalk wrote: > On Sat, May 27, 2023 at 8:47 PM philip--- via cctalk > wrote: > > > > > > > USB interfacing is hard, but SD cards are a lot simpler. So use a card > > > reader thing to transfer the files to an SD card and design an > > >

[cctalk] Re: MCAS (was: Re: Getting floppy images to/from real floppy disks.)

2023-05-28 Thread Tony Duell via cctalk
On Sat, May 27, 2023 at 10:00 PM Alexander Schreiber via cctalk wrote: > Which is why among the more cynic^Wexperienced SREs (my line of work) > we sometimes use the term "Working As Implemented" when the code behaves > exactly as written (and ofteni as specified), but still does the wrong >

[cctalk] Re: Getting floppy images to/from real floppy disks.

2023-05-28 Thread Tony Duell via cctalk
On Sat, May 27, 2023 at 8:47 PM philip--- via cctalk wrote: > > > > USB interfacing is hard, but SD cards are a lot simpler. So use a card > > reader thing to transfer the files to an SD card and design an > > interface for that to ISA bus. > > Thinking of that, I had actually wondered whether