[cctalk] Re: Did Bill Gates Really Say That?

2023-06-14 Thread Zane Healy via cctalk
On Jun 14, 2023, at 10:06 PM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: > > Well, I don't know about the 640KB quote, but he did say that OS/2 (what > was to become Warp 3) had Microsoft's full commitment. (cf "The OS/2 > handbook"). At the time he said it, MS was already developing NT and > had not the

[cctalk] Re: Did Bill Gates Really Say That?

2023-06-14 Thread Chuck Guzis via cctalk
Well, I don't know about the 640KB quote, but he did say that OS/2 (what was to become Warp 3) had Microsoft's full commitment. (cf "The OS/2 handbook"). At the time he said it, MS was already developing NT and had not the slightest intention of honoring that statement. What I also remember is

[cctalk] Re: Did Bill Gates Really Say That?

2023-06-14 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
On Tue, 13 Jun 2023, Ali via cctalk wrote: So I had always heard the quote "640KB is enough memory" being attributed to Bill Gates. However, recently I was watching Dave Plummer on YT and he said that it is not true: https://youtu.be/bikbJPI-7Kg?t=372 And apparently the man himself has denied it

[cctalk] Re: Did Bill Gates Really Say That?

2023-06-14 Thread Yeechang Lee via cctalk
A 100% verifiable quote about memory from 1981: > Apple Computer president, A. C. Markkula, Jr. is confident that > Apple products will continue to do well. “The IBM is more expensive > than the Apple II, and the Apple III offers better performance,” he > says. > Markkula points out that

[cctalk] Re: PCs Limited XT

2023-06-14 Thread Chris Zach via cctalk
Sitting here paging in old stuff from my brain. I'll bet you have an ArcNet card, and on the card it has a BIOS bootloader that was designed to do a BOOTP load of a DOS from a Netware or 3Com server. Pull the card and it will probably boot normally off the floppy. CZ On 6/14/2023 7:16 PM,

[cctalk] Re: PCs Limited XT

2023-06-14 Thread Bill Degnan via cctalk
Guys...I just wanted to know if anyone has either an original user/tech guide or worked with the actual specific machine. Maybe there is a password reset util disk image floating around specific to the original PCs Limited system, or a backdoor password ...that's what I am after...the original

[cctalk] Re: PCs Limited XT

2023-06-14 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
What cards are plugged into the motherboard? What video do you have connected? On 3 digit error codes, 4xx was monochrome video problems Do you get any beeps? Does it have a dipswitch (SW1)? What are the current settings of it? With all cards removed, and SW1 (if it has one) switches 5 and 6

[cctalk] Re: PCs Limited XT

2023-06-14 Thread Will Cooke via cctalk
> On 06/14/2023 4:47 PM CDT Bill Degnan via cctalk > wrote: > > > Obviously I opened the box. So Inguess the Turbo board is just > "motherboard" > Bill > Back in those days I made my living assembling and repairing those XT machines. The motherboards were almost universally from a

[cctalk] Re: PCs Limited XT

2023-06-14 Thread Jon Elson via cctalk
On 6/14/2023 1:08 PM, Wayne S via cctalk wrote: Open it up and take a look. Maybe the daughterboard it there and just needs reseating. Sent from my iPhone On Jun 14, 2023, at 07:26, Bill Degnan via cctalk wrote: I am getting an error message when I boot up a recently donated PCs

[cctalk] Re: PCs Limited XT

2023-06-14 Thread Wayne S via cctalk
Or it was removed and the config wasn’t updated. Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 14, 2023, at 14:47, Bill Degnan via cctalk > wrote: > > Obviously I opened the box. So Inguess the Turbo board is just > "motherboard" > Bill > >> On Wed, Jun 14, 2023, 4:21 PM Chris Zach via cctalk >> wrote: >>

[cctalk] Re: PCs Limited XT

2023-06-14 Thread Bill Degnan via cctalk
Obviously I opened the box. So Inguess the Turbo board is just "motherboard" Bill On Wed, Jun 14, 2023, 4:21 PM Chris Zach via cctalk wrote: > I used to use (and service) PC Limited stuff back in the 90's at Macro. > I don't remember a turbo board, just a normal XT system board. Pop the > case

[cctalk] Re: PCs Limited XT

2023-06-14 Thread Chris Zach via cctalk
I used to use (and service) PC Limited stuff back in the 90's at Macro. I don't remember a turbo board, just a normal XT system board. Pop the case open and check. If I recall PC Limited and Dell (what they became) came with call in service from Xerox. Maybe give them a call? ;-) CZ On

[cctalk] Looking for Itanium systems

2023-06-14 Thread vivianne--- via cctalk
Hi all, I'm looking for various Itanium systems: IBM eServer xSeries 380 IBM IntelliStation Z Pro Type 6894 Fujitsu Celsius 880 Silicon Graphics 750 HP i2000 HP Integrity rx4610 Dell Precision Workstation 730 Dell PowerEdge 7150 If you have a system you want off your hands, I'll pay! Thanks,

[cctalk] Re: Did Bill Gates Really Say That?

2023-06-14 Thread Warner Losh via cctalk
On Wed, Jun 14, 2023, 12:22 PM Will Cooke via cctalk wrote: > > > > On 06/14/2023 12:58 PM CDT Bill Degnan via cctalk > wrote: > > > > As far as the Bill Gates quote, I do remember reading an actual longer > > quote somewhere (?), the context was lost from a larger paragraph if one > > takes

[cctalk] Re: Did Bill Gates Really Say That?

2023-06-14 Thread Will Cooke via cctalk
> On 06/14/2023 12:58 PM CDT Bill Degnan via cctalk > wrote: > > As far as the Bill Gates quote, I do remember reading an actual longer > quote somewhere (?), the context was lost from a larger paragraph if one > takes just the snippet statement IIRC. > Maybe the longer quote was "I never

[cctalk] Re: Did Bill Gates Really Say That?

2023-06-14 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
I remember when he was a programmer, and any of his programs would run in 64K. I remember when he didn't even have 64K. I remember when he used 8 bit processors. I remember when he used 16 bit processors. I remember when he used 32 bit processors. I remember when he distributed software on

[cctalk] Re: Did Bill Gates Really Say That?

2023-06-14 Thread Bill Degnan via cctalk
Maybe I an state this here without getting a lot of flack apart feom of the youruber fan boys elsewhere... Sh...but a lot of the youtubers who claim to be experts in vintage computing history or repairs are really just experts in Google and Wiki searching, with good speaking skills. Just

[cctalk] Re: PCs Limited XT

2023-06-14 Thread Wayne S via cctalk
Open it up and take a look. Maybe the daughterboard it there and just needs reseating. Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 14, 2023, at 07:26, Bill Degnan via cctalk > wrote: > > I am getting an error message when I boot up a recently donated PCs Limited > XT clone. The error is > > ARC Turbo

[cctalk] Re: Did Bill Gates Really Say That?

2023-06-14 Thread Paul Koning via cctalk
On Tue, Jun 13, 2023, 9:47 PM Ali via cctalk wrote: > So I had always heard the quote "640KB is enough memory" being attributed > to > Bill Gates. Along the same lines, I remember a supposed quote from Gates to the effect that program specifications are a waste of time because the code is the

[cctalk] Re: Did Bill Gates Really Say That?

2023-06-14 Thread Ali via cctalk
>that there were ways to write programs that _would_ fit in > 640K and you should be doing that. That sentiment is an entirely different statement and meaning from the quote which is attributed to him. I won't comment on Dave's videos because I don't have enough "insider" knowledge to say how

[cctalk] Re: Did Bill Gates Really Say That?

2023-06-14 Thread Ali via cctalk
> Based on other videos of Dave's that I've watched he doesn't really > know > what he's talking about so I wouldn't lend much credence to his > apocrypha > either. > Well, I am willing to believe him given the PC World article that I also linked to in my original message And snopes.com

[cctalk] Re: Did Bill Gates Really Say That?

2023-06-14 Thread Ethan Dicks via cctalk
On Wed, Jun 14, 2023 at 12:21 PM Sellam Abraham via cctalk wrote: > Based on other videos of Dave's that I've watched he doesn't really know > what he's talking about so I wouldn't lend much credence to his apocrypha > either. Agreed. Some months back, Dave put out one of his videos with a

[cctalk] Re: Did Bill Gates Really Say That?

2023-06-14 Thread Sellam Abraham via cctalk
Based on other videos of Dave's that I've watched he doesn't really know what he's talking about so I wouldn't lend much credence to his apocrypha either. Sellam On Tue, Jun 13, 2023, 9:47 PM Ali via cctalk wrote: > So I had always heard the quote "640KB is enough memory" being attributed >

[cctalk] PCs Limited XT

2023-06-14 Thread Bill Degnan via cctalk
I am getting an error message when I boot up a recently donated PCs Limited XT clone. The error is ARC Turbo Board X Turbo System Error # 04 Does anyone have one of these boards, I believe the error means the board has been removed, and the system can't find it/bad board. If so, please advise