[cctalk] Re: Vintage Computer Fest Midwest "DECnut" pizza party

2023-09-08 Thread Bill Gunshannon via cctalk
On 9/8/2023 5:07 PM, Zane Healy wrote: On Sep 8, 2023, at 6:20 AM, Bill Gunshannon via cctalk wrote: On 9/7/2023 9:20 PM, Gavin Scott via cctalk wrote: On Thu, Sep 7, 2023 at 4:49 PM ste...@malikoff.com steven--- via cctalk wrote: Here in Oz, VAX has been a popular brand of vacuum

[cctalk] Re: 8" DSDD to USB MSD?

2023-09-08 Thread Chuck Guzis via cctalk
On 9/8/23 15:20, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: pretty well and BIOS/ancient OSes not at all!  > > It would still be handy to have a USB device that operates as a "normal" > fully functional FDC. > It would make it possible to add floppies to devices without them, > and/or add more or different

[cctalk] Re: 8" DSDD to USB MSD?

2023-09-08 Thread Chuck Guzis via cctalk
On 9/8/23 15:00, Anders Nelson via cctalk wrote: > Hi Chuck, > > The drive is a Qume Qumetrak 242 so I assume soft sector? I'm open to > correction. > Mostly. Most drives can, with the proper logic be made to read and write hard-sector disks. You just don't get separate SECTOR/ and INDEX/

[cctalk] Re: Vintage Computer Fest Midwest "DECnut" pizza party

2023-09-08 Thread KenUnix via cctalk
Zane is it accessible remotely? Just curious.. -Ken On Fri, Sep 8, 2023 at 5:17 PM Zane Healy via cctalk wrote: > > > > On Sep 8, 2023, at 6:20 AM, Bill Gunshannon via cctalk < > cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > > > > > > On 9/7/2023 9:20 PM, Gavin Scott via cctalk wrote: > >> On Thu, Sep 7,

[cctalk] Re: For Fred, especially: "Everything I know about floppy disks"

2023-09-08 Thread Sellam Abraham via cctalk
On Fri, Sep 8, 2023 at 4:02 PM Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: > > I always wanted the Sorrento Valley FDC for Apple2 > I've seen one in the wild before, but the guy didn't want to sell it with the pile of Lisas I bought from him. It's possible I have documentation for it. Does "more popular"

[cctalk] Re: 8" DSDD to USB MSD?

2023-09-08 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
On Fri, 8 Sep 2023, Bill Degnan via cctalk wrote: I have had better luck with a P-III motherboard that connects to the 34-50 pin adapter in the middle and 8" on the other end. This way you can trick the BIOS of the computer to think the 8" drive is a 1.2Mb 5 1/4". With this set up I have made

[cctalk] Re: For Fred, especially: "Everything I know about floppy disks"

2023-09-08 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
On Fri, 8 Sep 2023, Sellam Abraham via cctalk wrote: The Apple Disk ][ information needs some editing as well. And then there's the part suggesting the Commodore 1541 was more popular than the Disk ][. What utter pishposh. There are many details to flesh out things such as Apple, such as 13

[cctalk] Re: 8" DSDD to USB MSD?

2023-09-08 Thread Bill Degnan via cctalk
I have had better luck with a P-III motherboard that connects to the 34-50 pin adapter in the middle and 8" on the other end. This way you can trick the BIOS of the computer to think the 8" drive is a 1.2Mb 5 1/4". With this set up I have made a bootable DOS 6.22 8" disk, so I know it works.

[cctalk] Re: 8" DSDD to USB MSD?

2023-09-08 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
It would still be handy to have a USB device that operates as a "normal" fully functional FDC. On Fri, 8 Sep 2023, Anders Nelson wrote: I agree, and that generic USB FDC is already available: https://github.com/dhansel/ArduinoFDC If I can simply select 5 1/4 floppy mode and it'll work with an

[cctalk] Re: For Fred, especially: "Everything I know about floppy disks"

2023-09-08 Thread Sellam Abraham via cctalk
The Apple Disk ][ information needs some editing as well. And then there's the part suggesting the Commodore 1541 was more popular than the Disk ][. What utter pishposh. On Fri, Sep 8, 2023 at 3:04 PM Liam Proven via cctalk wrote: > On Fri, 8 Sept 2023 at 22:53, Fred Cisin via cctalk > wrote:

[cctalk] Re: 8" DSDD to USB MSD?

2023-09-08 Thread Anders Nelson via cctalk
I agree, and that generic USB FDC is already available: https://github.com/dhansel/ArduinoFDC If I can simply select 5 1/4 floppy mode and it'll work with an 8" disk, I guess I don't need anything else? On Fri, Sep 8, 2023, 6:20 PM Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: > but presents itself to an

[cctalk] Re: 8" DSDD to USB MSD?

2023-09-08 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
but presents itself to an OS as a Mass Storage Device (block device). Anders, for what practical purpose would you do that? It’s not like there’s so many 8 inch floppies around to make it feasible. You would have to have a LOT of intelligence in the Usb interface due to the different physical

[cctalk] Re: For Fred, especially: "Everything I know about floppy disks"

2023-09-08 Thread Liam Proven via cctalk
On Fri, 8 Sept 2023 at 22:53, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: > > When Ronald Reagan got into politics, I wrote him a postcard pleading him > NOT TO. I said, "Hollywood needs you." It's a real shame that didn't work. AIUI the repeal of Glass-Steagal caused a lot of the problems we're in today,

[cctalk] Re: 8" DSDD to USB MSD?

2023-09-08 Thread Anders Nelson via cctalk
Hi Chuck, The drive is a Qume Qumetrak 242 so I assume soft sector? I'm open to correction. On Fri, Sep 8, 2023, 4:15 PM Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: > On Fri, 8 Sep 2023, Anders Nelson via cctalk wrote: > > Hi all, > > I just bought a very clean, DSDD 8" disk drive off eBay and it has a 50p >

[cctalk] Re: 8" DSDD to USB MSD?

2023-09-08 Thread Anders Nelson via cctalk
Hi Wayne, For sure the controller would have to do a lot more, but I know firmware pretty well and BIOS/ancient OSes not at all!  On Fri, Sep 8, 2023, 4:22 PM Wayne S via cctalk wrote: > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Sep 8, 2023, at 13:16, Wayne S wrote: > > > >> but presents itself to an

[cctalk] Re: For Fred, especially: "Everything I know about floppy disks"

2023-09-08 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
He has an "About Me" page,and even his CV, but goes to some effort to avoid stating his NAME! (Jonathan Pallant) On Fri, 8 Sep 2023, Liam Proven via cctalk wrote: I noticed that, too. I think it's [a] the modern internet way, and [2] may be connected with his efforts to get into politics...

[cctalk] Re: For Fred, especially: "Everything I know about floppy disks"

2023-09-08 Thread Liam Proven via cctalk
On Fri, 8 Sept 2023 at 22:41, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: > > He has an "About Me" page,and even his CV, but goes to some effort to > avoid stating his NAME! (Jonathan Pallant) I noticed that, too. I think it's [a] the modern internet way, and [2] may be connected with his efforts to get into

[cctalk] Re: For Fred, especially: "Everything I know about floppy disks"

2023-09-08 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
It's got some really good stuff, but some things that are awkward, although few totally WRONG. [...] Overall, a good start, for MOST aspects. On Fri, 8 Sep 2023, Liam Proven via cctalk wrote: That is high praise indeed, I think! :-) He has an "About Me" page,and even his CV, but goes to

[cctalk] Re: For Fred, especially: "Everything I know about floppy disks"

2023-09-08 Thread Liam Proven via cctalk
On Fri, 8 Sept 2023 at 22:24, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: > > It's got some really good stuff, but some things that are awkward, > although few totally WRONG. [...] > Overall, a good start, for MOST aspects. That is high praise indeed, I think! :-) -- Liam Proven ~ Profile:

[cctalk] Re: For Fred, especially: "Everything I know about floppy disks"

2023-09-08 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
On Fri, 8 Sep 2023, Liam Proven via cctalk wrote: Everything I know about floppy disks 2023-08-28 Floppy disk drives are curious things. We know them as the slots that ingest those small almost-square plastic "floppy disks" and we only really see them now in Computer Museums. But there's a lot

[cctalk] Re: Vintage Computer Fest Midwest "DECnut" pizza party

2023-09-08 Thread Zane Healy via cctalk
> On Sep 8, 2023, at 6:20 AM, Bill Gunshannon via cctalk > wrote: > > > On 9/7/2023 9:20 PM, Gavin Scott via cctalk wrote: >> On Thu, Sep 7, 2023 at 4:49 PM ste...@malikoff.com steven--- via >> cctalk wrote: >>> Here in Oz, VAX has been a popular brand of vacuum cleaner for many >>>

[cctalk] For Fred, especially: "Everything I know about floppy disks"

2023-09-08 Thread Liam Proven via cctalk
« Everything I know about floppy disks 2023-08-28 Floppy disk drives are curious things. We know them as the slots that ingest those small almost-square plastic "floppy disks" and we only really see them now in Computer Museums. But there's a lot going on in that humble square of plastic and

[cctalk] Re: PDP-8/L Is: $7900 (Was: PDP-8/L $15,000)

2023-09-08 Thread Chris Zach via cctalk
But more reasonable. Get down to 4k and it's interesting. C On 9/8/2023 4:12 PM, Milo Velimirović via cctalk wrote: On Sep 8, 2023, at 1:15 PM, Bill Degnan via cctalk wrote: Price change, https://www.ebay.com/itm/126067408991 Bill Still too spicy :)

[cctalk] Re: 8" DSDD to USB MSD?

2023-09-08 Thread Wayne S via cctalk
Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 8, 2023, at 13:16, Wayne S wrote: > >> but presents itself to an OS as a Mass Storage Device (block device). Anders, for what practical purpose would you do that? It’s not like there’s so many 8 inch floppies around to make it feasible. You would have to have a

[cctalk] Re: 8" DSDD to USB MSD?

2023-09-08 Thread Wayne S via cctalk
Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 8, 2023, at 13:15, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: > > On Fri, 8 Sep 2023, Anders Nelson via cctalk wrote: >> Hi all, >> I just bought a very clean, DSDD 8" disk drive off eBay and it has a 50p >> connector which I guess is the common Shugart type? I also found a

[cctalk] Re: 8" DSDD to USB MSD?

2023-09-08 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
On Fri, 8 Sep 2023, Anders Nelson via cctalk wrote: Hi all, I just bought a very clean, DSDD 8" disk drive off eBay and it has a 50p connector which I guess is the common Shugart type? I also found a 50p-> 34p adaptor PCB design someone documented online. very few of the lines need to be

[cctalk] Re: PDP-8/L Is: $7900 (Was: PDP-8/L $15,000)

2023-09-08 Thread Milo Velimirović via cctalk
> On Sep 8, 2023, at 1:15 PM, Bill Degnan via cctalk > wrote: > > Price change, > https://www.ebay.com/itm/126067408991 > Bill Still too spicy :)

[cctalk] Re: 8" DSDD to USB MSD?

2023-09-08 Thread Chuck Guzis via cctalk
On 9/8/23 12:58, Anders Nelson via cctalk wrote: > Hi all, > > I just bought a very clean, DSDD 8" disk drive off eBay and it has a 50p > connector which I guess is the common Shugart type? I also found a 50p-> > 34p adaptor PCB design someone documented online. > > I haven't delved much into

[cctalk] 8" DSDD to USB MSD?

2023-09-08 Thread Anders Nelson via cctalk
Hi all, I just bought a very clean, DSDD 8" disk drive off eBay and it has a 50p connector which I guess is the common Shugart type? I also found a 50p-> 34p adaptor PCB design someone documented online. I haven't delved much into floppy formats (high level or low level) but I'm somewhat

[cctalk] Re: NewtonOS

2023-09-08 Thread Wayne S via cctalk
Re: ipad 3 lack of support. What gets me the most is that Apple doesn’t seem to allow old versions of app on the store anymore. Seems that they force developers to use the newer SDK which only supports IOS 10 and above. Hate That with a passion. Take care. Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 8,

[cctalk] Re: NewtonOS

2023-09-08 Thread Wayne S via cctalk
Re: PDF I use a free app Pdfreader to view and usually just email the pdfs i want to read and save them that way. Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 8, 2023, at 11:48, Liam Proven via cctalk > wrote: > > On Fri, 8 Sept 2023 at 19:23, Wayne S wrote: >> >> I have an ipad 3 and it was absolutely

[cctalk] Re: NewtonOS

2023-09-08 Thread Liam Proven via cctalk
On Fri, 8 Sept 2023 at 19:23, Wayne S wrote: > > I have an ipad 3 and it was absolutely great. Everything worked well on it > until apple  made IOS 10 which doesn’t run on it. Then, gradually, some > apps, like Amazon Prime TV, were upgraded to use 10 and above and simply > stopped working.

[cctalk] Re: NewtonOS

2023-09-08 Thread Wayne S via cctalk
I have an ipad 3 and it was absolutely great. Everything worked well on it until apple  made IOS 10 which doesn’t run on it. Then, gradually, some apps, like Amazon Prime TV, were upgraded to use 10 and above and simply stopped working. I probably won’t buy another Ipad just because of that.

[cctalk] PDP-8/L Is: $7900 (Was: PDP-8/L $15,000)

2023-09-08 Thread Bill Degnan via cctalk
Price change, https://www.ebay.com/itm/126067408991 Bill

[cctalk] Re: VCFMW vendor tables

2023-09-08 Thread Liam Proven via cctalk
On Wed, 30 Aug 2023 at 17:25, Seth Morabito via cctalk wrote: > > I swear to God, Discord will be the end of the open Internet, it's where > information goes to die. I hate it with every fiber of my being. And yes, I > use it, I'm on many servers. I'm still allowed to detest it. 100% agreement

[cctalk] Re: NewtonOS

2023-09-08 Thread Liam Proven via cctalk
On Wed, 30 Aug 2023 at 02:59, Wayne S via cctalk wrote: > > I used a newton and still have it a box. I have 2 of them myself. > It was heavy and very slow. Graffiti didn’t work very well either. The OMP was. I later bought a Newton 2100 and it's a very different beast. It's quite usable by

[cctalk] Re: OT: Moon (Was: PDP-8/L $15,000

2023-09-08 Thread Liam Proven via cctalk
On Wed, 30 Aug 2023 at 01:29, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: > > Then, one of the Sci-Fi magazines [...] in which the capsule settled down > onto the moon, and > immediately sank irrevocably below kilometer thick layer of dust. I am strongly reminded of _A Fall of Moondust_ by Arthur C. Clarke.

[cctalk] Re: SCO on Virtualbox

2023-09-08 Thread Liam Proven via cctalk
On Fri, 25 Aug 2023 at 01:05, KenUnix via cctalk wrote: > > I have been experimenting with GhostBSD 64bit. It runs quite well under > Virtualbox Sorry for the very slow reply... Work is burying me, and I am somewhat crippled due to a pulverised right forearm. I am glad you've found something

[cctalk] Re: Vintage Computer Fest Midwest "DECnut" pizza party

2023-09-08 Thread Bill Gunshannon via cctalk
On 9/8/2023 9:29 AM, Raymond Wiker via cctalk wrote: On 8 Sep 2023, at 15:20, Bill Gunshannon via cctalk wrote: On 9/7/2023 9:20 PM, Gavin Scott via cctalk wrote: On Thu, Sep 7, 2023 at 4:49 PM ste...@malikoff.com steven--- via cctalk wrote: Here in Oz, VAX has been a popular brand of

[cctalk] Re: Vintage Computer Fest Midwest "DECnut" pizza party

2023-09-08 Thread Raymond Wiker via cctalk
> On 8 Sep 2023, at 15:20, Bill Gunshannon via cctalk > wrote: > > > On 9/7/2023 9:20 PM, Gavin Scott via cctalk wrote: >> On Thu, Sep 7, 2023 at 4:49 PM ste...@malikoff.com steven--- via >> cctalk wrote: >>> Here in Oz, VAX has been a popular brand of vacuum cleaner for many >>> decades.

[cctalk] Re: Vintage Computer Fest Midwest "DECnut" pizza party

2023-09-08 Thread Bill Gunshannon via cctalk
On 9/7/2023 9:20 PM, Gavin Scott via cctalk wrote: On Thu, Sep 7, 2023 at 4:49 PM ste...@malikoff.com steven--- via cctalk wrote: Here in Oz, VAX has been a popular brand of vacuum cleaner for many decades. We had one until recently. https://www.vax.com.au/