[cctalk] Re: What to take to a vintage computer show

2024-05-01 Thread Ali via cctalk
> > Don't forget to bring a towel. > > Sellam The fact that we all probably got that reference is the amazing part. -Ali

[cctalk] Re: What to take to a vintage computer show

2024-05-01 Thread Sellam Abraham via cctalk
On Wed, May 1, 2024, 8:03 PM Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: > Our booth bimbo gave herself the title, "BAIT" > > -- > Grumpy Ol' Fred > Boobs And Invitation Technician? Sellam >

[cctalk] Re: What to take to a vintage computer show

2024-05-01 Thread Sellam Abraham via cctalk
On Wed, May 1, 2024, 7:48 PM Jim Brain via cctalk wrote: > > My paper, pens, pencils, post it, duct tape, batteries, cash, blank > disks, memory cards, blank CDs, blank DVDs, small ethernet cable, small > USB cables (the rollup kind) are all in my computer bag, so they go > everywhere, as well

[cctalk] Re: BASIC

2024-05-01 Thread ED SHARPE via cctalk
Then there  was Phantasm for basic  Gavin wrote! Sent from AOL on Android On Wed, May 1, 2024 at 8:44 PM, Gavin Scott via cctalk wrote: BASIC was always a popular language in the Hewlett-Packard world. From the HP 2000 timesharing BASIC that was popular in educational settings similar to

[cctalk] Re: BASIC

2024-05-01 Thread Chuck Guzis via cctalk
Am I the only one on this list who designed and implemented a business BASIC? (I did have two programmers to work with me. Did it in about 4 months). Multiuser on an 8085; later versions were re-hosted on Xenix.

[cctalk] Re: BASIC

2024-05-01 Thread Gavin Scott via cctalk
BASIC was always a popular language in the Hewlett-Packard world. From the HP 2000 timesharing BASIC that was popular in educational settings similar to the original DTSS, To BASIC/3000 on the HP 3000 which was a first-class language with both interpreter and compiler (producing very fast code),

[cctalk] Re: What to take to a vintage computer show

2024-05-01 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
On Wed, 1 May 2024, Jim Brain via cctalk wrote: Games are always a good draw, even if that seems like cheating. In the early days of the Atari ST and Commodore Amiga, (and I may have the two reversed in the following anecdote), Atari had a nice display of a bouncing checkered beach ball.

[cctalk] Re: What to take to a vintage computer show

2024-05-01 Thread Jim Brain via cctalk
On 5/1/2024 9:21 PM, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: Bring lots of business cards.  Even if you aren't running a business, it's a lot better than standing there writing your contact information for everybofy that you want to stay in touch with. Well, or a couple pieces of paper with QR codes for

[cctalk] Re: What to take to a vintage computer show

2024-05-01 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
Bring lots of business cards. Even if you aren't running a business, it's a lot better than standing there writing your contact information for everybofy that you want to stay in touch with. paper, pens, pencils, post-it notes, stapler, duct tape, voltmeter, batteries, flashlight, cash,

[cctalk] What to take to a vintage computer show

2024-05-01 Thread Brad H via cctalk
Just reaching out to anyone who has exhibited at a vintage computing festival before. After years of only being able to watch others attend the ones that happen in the US, we are finally getting one in BC here. Super excited. I was invited both to speak and to exhibit, and they even got me two

[cctalk] Re: BASIC

2024-05-01 Thread Just Kant via cctalk
My first experience with programming (BASIC) and even computers was on an Atari 400 in 9th grade. I hated those damned things, I guess mainly on account of the membrane keyboard. Elfin tight wads. In 10th I again decided to enroll in computer courses, FARTRAN and then COBOL. Mostly on teletype

[cctalk] Re: APL (Was: BASIC

2024-05-01 Thread Bill Gunshannon via cctalk
On 5/1/2024 8:04 PM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: On 5/1/24 16:51, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: APL was incredible.  I was amazed.  I was immediately able to do a few simple things that were useful for my boss and myself, and writing simple programs within hours.  Its matrix arithmetic was

[cctalk] Re: APL (Was: BASIC

2024-05-01 Thread Bill Gunshannon via cctalk
On 5/1/2024 7:51 PM, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: What would our world be like if the first home computers were to have had APL, instead of BASIC? Maybe not instead of BASIC but I had APL on my TRS-80. bill

[cctalk] Re: APL (Was: BASIC

2024-05-01 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
On Wed, 1 May 2024, Mike Katz wrote: I remember replacing the character generator eprom (the type with the window for UV erasing) on an old ATI EGA video board so that I could have the APL character set. sweet At least one of the ATI EGA boards had a daughter board available to be able to

[cctalk] Re: BASIC

2024-05-01 Thread Mike Katz via cctalk
Fred, It's not a big deal.  I was exposed to the DTSS as a 7th grader because I was going to a boarding school near by in 1972. The school I was at had a PDP-8/L and I became an early adopter computer geek. On 5/1/2024 6:05 PM, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: On Wed, 1 May 2024, Mike Katz

[cctalk] Re: APL (Was: BASIC

2024-05-01 Thread Mike Katz via cctalk
I remember replacing the character generator eprom (the type with the window for UV erasing) on an old ATI EGA video board so that I could have the APL character set. On 5/1/2024 7:14 PM, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: APL was incredible.  I was amazed.  I was immediately able to do a few

[cctalk] Re: BASIC

2024-05-01 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
On Wed, 1 May 2024, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: Yet FORTRAN, the granddaddy of them all, continues on... It should be noted that FORTRAN celebrates its 70th anniversary this year: I didn't start until May 29, 1965. I had previously been doing some keypunching, and 084 counting sorter. IBM

[cctalk] Re: APL (Was: BASIC

2024-05-01 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
APL was incredible.  I was amazed.  I was immediately able to do a few simple things that were useful for my boss and myself, and writing simple programs within hours.  Its matrix arithmetic was awesome. APL typeball on a selectric terminal at GSFC, . . . Some of the keys were re-labeled, but

[cctalk] Re: APL (Was: BASIC

2024-05-01 Thread Chuck Guzis via cctalk
On 5/1/24 16:51, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: > APL was incredible.  I was amazed.  I was immediately able to do a few > simple things that were useful for my boss and myself, and writing > simple programs within hours.  Its matrix arithmetic was awesome. APL > typeball on a selectric terminal at

[cctalk] Re: BASIC

2024-05-01 Thread Michael Mulhern via cctalk
In ‘81 FORTRAN77 was the first language I learnt, but it was BASIC that started my IT career. I was writing programs at Griffith University for various lecturers and research staff. This was before the uni even had a dedicated Computer Science Degree. If it wasn’t for BASIC, I’d probably be a

[cctalk] Re: BASIC

2024-05-01 Thread Chuck Guzis via cctalk
On 5/1/24 16:37, Sellam Abraham via cctalk wrote: > On Wed, May 1, 2024 at 4:36 PM Chuck Guzis via cctalk > wrote: > >> To be sure, BASIC was hardly unique in terms of the 1960s interactive >> programming languages. We had JOSS, PILOT, IITRAN and a host of others, >> based on FORTRAN-ish

[cctalk] Re: APL (Was: BASIC

2024-05-01 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
On Wed, 1 May 2024, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: To be sure, BASIC was hardly unique in terms of the 1960s interactive programming languages. We had JOSS, PILOT, IITRAN and a host of others, based on FORTRAN-ish syntax. not to forget APL, which was a thing apart. What would our world be like

[cctalk] Re: BASIC

2024-05-01 Thread Norman Jaffe via cctalk
APL is very much alive - it was invented in the '60s. Lisp is slightly older and it, as well, is still in active use - and it's older than FORTRAN, which was the inspiration for BASIC. From: "Sellam Abraham via cctalk" To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" Cc: "Sellam

[cctalk] Re: Diablo Model 40 Series - Disturbed head positioning

2024-05-01 Thread Curious Marc via cctalk
Power supply problem? Marc > On Apr 30, 2024, at 8:58 AM, Dominique Carlier via cctalk > wrote: > > Hello everyone > > I need your help to identify an issue on my Diablo Model 40 Series. I don't > know where to look, it's so vast ! > > Here's the problem: > When RUN is activated, the drive

[cctalk] Re: BASIC

2024-05-01 Thread Sellam Abraham via cctalk
On Wed, May 1, 2024 at 4:36 PM Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: > To be sure, BASIC was hardly unique in terms of the 1960s interactive > programming languages. We had JOSS, PILOT, IITRAN and a host of others, > based on FORTRAN-ish syntax. not to forget APL, which was a thing apart. > > --Chuck >

[cctalk] Re: BASIC

2024-05-01 Thread Chuck Guzis via cctalk
To be sure, BASIC was hardly unique in terms of the 1960s interactive programming languages. We had JOSS, PILOT, IITRAN and a host of others, based on FORTRAN-ish syntax. not to forget APL, which was a thing apart. --Chuck

[cctalk] Re: BASIC

2024-05-01 Thread KenUnix via cctalk
Anyone interested in a flavor of BASIC try my version of BWaterBasic for Linux, Windows and DOS athttps://yeolpishack.net/repos/KenUnix/BwBasic It's pretty fast. Full source and DOCs are also there. Ken On Wed, May 1, 2024 at 7:05 PM Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: > On Wed, 1 May 2024,

[cctalk] Re: BASIC

2024-05-01 Thread Sellam Abraham via cctalk
Considering the time that it was introduced to the world, and what it was intended to do, and what it did do, and how it went on to become something much, much greater than what Kemeny and Kurtz ever envisioned (even though they didn't like much of it), BASIC does not get nearly as much credit as

[cctalk] Re: BASIC

2024-05-01 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
On Wed, 1 May 2024, Mike Katz wrote: I'm sorry but the original BASIC as run on the Dartmouth Time Sharing System was compiled. I wasn't around Dartmouth, and my first experiences with BASIC were all interpreted. I had run a trivial program in it on a Silent 700 connected through a phone

[cctalk] Re: BASIC

2024-05-01 Thread Mike Katz via cctalk
I'm sorry but the original BASIC as run on the Dartmouth Time Sharing System was compiled. On 5/1/2024 5:26 PM, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: On Wed, 1 May 2024, Murray McCullough via cctalk wrote: Nostalgia keeps pressing ahead: It was 60 yrs. ago that BASIC came into existence. I remember

[cctalk] Re: BASIC

2024-05-01 Thread Wayne S via cctalk
IMHO, “C” nomenclature really screwed up the equality vs assignment statements. The == made it difficult to understand especially if you came from a language that didn’t have it. Basically all languages before “C”. Sent from my iPhone > On May 1, 2024, at 15:39, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote:

[cctalk] Re: BASIC

2024-05-01 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
I remember that one of the changes that "street" BASICs made was to make the keyword "LET" be optional. Thus, instead of writing LET X = 3 you could write X = 3 unfortunately, that further confused the issue of ASSIGNMENT versus EQUALITY, and many beginners tried to write 3 = X while they

[cctalk] Re: BASIC

2024-05-01 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
On Wed, 1 May 2024, Murray McCullough via cctalk wrote: Nostalgia keeps pressing ahead: It was 60 yrs. ago that BASIC came into existence. I remember very well writing in Apple Basic and GW Basic later on. As a non-compiled OS, an interpreted OS, it was just the right tool for a microcomputer

[cctalk] Re: BASIC

2024-05-01 Thread Mike Katz via cctalk
The Beginners All-purpose Symbolic Instruction Code (BASIC) Developed by John G. Kemeny and Thomas E. Kurtz at Dartmouth College in 1963.  This ran on the Dartmouth Time Sharing System (DTSS) which was an early time sharing system running on Honeywell and GE Main Frames with Datanet systems

[cctalk] BASIC

2024-05-01 Thread Murray McCullough via cctalk
Nostalgia keeps pressing ahead: It was 60 yrs. ago that BASIC came into existence. I remember very well writing in Apple Basic and GW Basic later on. As a non-compiled OS, an interpreted OS, it was just the right tool for a microcomputer with limited memory. I recall fondly taking code from

[cctalk] Re: Double Density 3.5" Floppy Disks

2024-05-01 Thread Joshua Rice via cctalk
I can't vouch for later drives, but the earliest 600RPM Sony drives were built we no knowledge of HD vs DD, so covering the HD hole is probably a moot point in the HP drives, though it is likely worth taping over it for any formatting options. It's worth noting that the speed is pretty much a

[cctalk] Re: Double Density 3.5" Floppy Disks

2024-05-01 Thread Tony Duell via cctalk
On Wed, May 1, 2024 at 5:38 AM Paul Berger via cctalk wrote: > > As Mike said there are two models 9114A and 9114B, they are functionally > equivalent, however the B model uses a 1/2 high drive mechanism and I > believe there are changes to the controller as well, but I have only > seen the

[cctalk] Re: Double Density 3.5" Floppy Disks

2024-05-01 Thread Paul Berger via cctalk
Well from pictures I found online at https://www.ebay.com/itm/315148732505 it would seem that the A model just said "9114" on the front however the serial number label on the bottom says 9114A. Paul. On 2024-05-01 4:39 a.m., Mike Stein via cctalk wrote: Thanks, Paul, I'm aware of the 9114A

[cctalk] Re: Double Density 3.5" Floppy Disks

2024-05-01 Thread Liam Proven via cctalk
On Tue, 30 Apr 2024 at 18:08, Mike Katz via cctalk wrote: > > Does anybody have any extra 720K (double sided, double density) 3.5" > Floppy Disks that could use a good home? > > If so, please email me directly at bit...@12bitsbest.com. In what country? That massively impacts many people's

[cctalk] Re: Double Density 3.5" Floppy Disks

2024-05-01 Thread Mike Stein via cctalk
Thanks, Paul, I'm aware of the 9114A and B versions and some of the differences, but I'm wondering whether my 9114 is identical to the 9114A. Is it maybe like World War I which was just 'The Great War' until WW II came along; same war, different name. m On Wed, May 1, 2024 at 12:38 AM Paul

[cctalk] Re: Double Density 3.5" Floppy Disks

2024-05-01 Thread David Wade via cctalk
On 01/05/2024 00:27, Mike Katz via cctalk wrote: Thank you. My goal is not to use HD floppies on a drive not designed for them. I saw some on ebay and amazon but I thought I would try here to see if anybody had some they don't need.  I would help keep them out of the trash. I have lots,