[cctalk] Re: Experience using an Altair 8800 ("Personal computer" from 70s)

2024-05-23 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
On Thu, 23 May 2024, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: I couldn't wait to show it to a female working in my section. She dropped by my apartment, took one look at the thing sitting on my kitchen table and burst out laughing. "That's not a computer; it's a toy!" was her withering reaction. I don't

[cctalk] Re: NTSC TV demodulator

2024-05-19 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
On Sun, 19 May 2024, Will Cooke via cctalk wrote: I have a couple of 70s/80s "home" computers (e.g. Radio Shack Color Computer) that are intended to connect to a TV set. They don't have easily available composite video, even internally, only modulated RF output. Currently I have an old CRT TV

[cctalk] Better demagnetize all of your cables!

2024-05-11 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
https://www.swpc.noaa.gov/products/aurora-30-minute-forecast stormy sunny weather

[cctalk] Re: Random items on Pascal #3

2024-05-10 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
On Fri, 10 May 2024, Charles via cctalk wrote: Regarding protections, it didn't have many. I remember spending a day tracking down a fatal bug with a logic analyzer (emulators were still a dream in this small company)... another programmer had used an array subscript out of range and the

[cctalk] Re: CORRECTIONS Re: DOS p-System Pascal:

2024-05-10 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
Microsoft had to pay $120 million, and Stac had to pay $13.6 million. But Microsoft also settled some claims out of court with a $39.9 million dollar investment in Stac, and paid $43 million in royalties. Yes, billg had a bad day. comparable to my losing $100 On Fri, 10 May 2024, Sellam

[cctalk] Re: CORRECTIONS Re: DOS p-System Pascal:

2024-05-10 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
, billg had a bad day. comparable to my losing $100 IBM's PC-DOS 6.10 had a similar bundle list to MS-DOS 6.00, but each product from a different vendor than Microsoft's On Fri, 10 May 2024, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: . . .

[cctalk] Re: DOS p-System Pascal: (Was: Saga of CP/M)

2024-05-10 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
very slow and buggy. I heard a story that to speed up disc access, MS put FAT-manipulation code in the actual compiler and that occasionally destroyed the FAT. Sorry Stuff, ain't so. If you had FAT corruption issues, perhaps you had SMARTDRV enabled with write cacheing (which did occasionally

[cctalk] Re: DOS p-System Pascal: (Was: Saga of CP/M)

2024-05-10 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
On Fri, 10 May 2024, Stuff Received via cctalk wrote: I recall that MS sold a Pascal compiler, possibly from someone else. It was very slow and buggy. I heard a story that to speed up disc access, MS put FAT-manipulation code in the actual compiler and that occasionally destroyed the FAT.

[cctalk] Re: Random items on Pascal #3

2024-05-09 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
... I've written code in Pascal, as well as Modula-2. Never liked it--seemed to be a bit awkward for the low-level stuff that I was doing. On Thu, 9 May 2024, Paul Koning via cctalk wrote: Not surprising, since that's not what it is all about. Both, like their predecessor ALGOL-60 as well as

[cctalk] Re: Random items on Pascal #3

2024-05-09 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
Turbo-Pascal was quite popular. At the annnouncement of it (West Coast Computer Faire), Phillipe Kahn (Borland) was so inundated with "yeah, but what about C?" questions, that by the end of the first day, "Turbo C is coming soon" On Thu, 9 May 2024, Sellam Abraham via cctalk wrote: I

[cctalk] Re: Random items on Pascal #6

2024-05-09 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
OK This seems to be the one that the list choked on (possibly due to special quote characters? On Thu, May 9, 2024, 2:07 AM david barto via cctalk wrote: At Ken Bowles retirement from UCSD (Ken was the lead of the UCSD Pascal Project) he related a story that IBM came to UCSD after being

[cctalk] Re: Random items on Pascal #5

2024-05-09 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
UCSD P-system could only allocate contiguous disk space. So a disk that had become "checkerboarded" by writing and deletng files had to be defragmented, using a spplied utility called "Crunch". Was that adequately protected against catastrophes caused by interruption? Softech and UCSD

[cctalk] Re: Random items on Pascal #4

2024-05-09 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
At NCC - Anaheim, I bought John Draper lunch (I never exercised with him) for a quick consultation about P-system directory structure. I added some P-system formats into XenoCopy a week later.

[cctalk] Re: Random items on Pascal #3

2024-05-09 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
Turbo-Pascal was quite popular. At the annnouncement of it (West Coast Computer Faire), Phillipe Kahn (Borland) was so inundated with "yeah, but what about C?" questions, that by the end of the first day, "Turbo C is coming soon"

[cctalk] Re: Random items on Pascal #2

2024-05-09 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
The SAGE II that had native Pascal (68000) was not a popular machine. Waterloo Pascal on the SuperPetPascal never really made it on the microcomputer platform did it? Bob Wallace (Microsoft's tenth employee) wrote the Micorsoft MS-DOS Pascal compiler. He told me not to use the runtime

[cctalk] Re: Random items on Pascal #1

2024-05-09 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
Did not make it to the list, so I am breaking it up and re-sending it in pieces Without doing the research before asking, there was the UCSD p-System Pascal for IBM PC which came out very early in the history of the IBM PC. It was not very popular. In the original 5150 launch (August 1981),

[cctalk] Re: FWIW CD & DVD demagnitizitation [was: Double Density 3.5" Floppy Disks]

2024-05-09 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
On Thu, 9 May 2024, Mike Stein via cctalk wrote: How much extra to turn my deadly lead pipes into gold while you're here? Alchemist servicess are kinda expensive. Could you get away with just gold plating them?

[cctalk] Re: FWIW CD & DVD demagnitizitation [was: Double Density 3.5" Floppy Disks]

2024-05-09 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
German snake oil wizards to the rescue! The "Atomstromfilter" (nuclear power filter) joke product has been making the rounds in Germany for at _least_ 20+y now: https://traumshop.net/produkt/atomstromfilter/ It claims to filter power generated by nuclear power plants out of your power flow at the

[cctalk] Re: FWIW CD & DVD demagnitizitation [was: Double Density 3.5" Floppy Disks]

2024-05-08 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
More here: https://www.enjoythemusic.com/magazine/equipment/0114/audiophile_ac_outlets.htm If I knew that this stuff wasn't real, I'd figure that it was an April Fool's prank. On Wed, 8 May 2024, Sellam Abraham via cctalk wrote: Why stop there? A truly dedicated audiophile would run new pure

[cctalk] Re: FWIW CD & DVD demagnitizitation [was: Double Density 3.5" Floppy Disks]

2024-05-08 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
also, what some hinted at is the issue is even a very slight amount of magnitsm, spinning very fast, could affect the signal in the playback head How many Gauss would you get from vinyl, spinning at 33.3, 45, or 78 RPM? 'course, if the "demagnetizing" also included a wipe with a lint free

[cctalk] Re: Saga of CP/M

2024-05-07 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
Tim Paterson's article "Inside Look At MS-DOS" is a good read. On Tue, 7 May 2024, Ali wrote: A good history and overview of DR including interviews from some of the main players by the "Computer Chronicles": https://youtu.be/bLVbSjDq0DE It's good. When that episode was first broadcast by

[cctalk] Re: Saga of CP/M

2024-05-07 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
ere than MS-DOS) -SteveL (v*) On Fri, May 3, 2024 at 8:30 PM Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: PL/M (think "PL/1") was a high level programming language for microprocessors. CP/M was also briefly called "Control Program and Monitor" It was written by Gary Kildall. (May 19, 194

[cctalk] Re: FWIW CD & DVD demagnitizitation [was: Double Density 3.5" Floppy Disks]

2024-05-07 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
urutech-demag-a-lp-cd-cable-demagnetizer/ If my email for him still works, I have asked a relative that use to make a then over $1000 (1970s?) crossover for subwoofers (50hz?) for the audiophile market. Just the crossover (signal separator), not the amp needed after that. --Carey On Monday (05/0

[cctalk] Re: Double Density 3.5" Floppy Disks

2024-05-06 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
Ignorant question: Q: When looking for current availability of bulk tape/disk demagnetizers, on eBay, I ran into a lot of CD/DVD demagnetizers What kind of a problem do they have with magnetism? Or is this like the DVD REWINDERS? On Mon, 6 May 2024, Will Cooke via cctalk wrote: A must-have

[cctalk] Re: Double Density 3.5" Floppy Disks

2024-05-06 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
Ignorant question: Q: When looking for current availability of bulk tape/disk demagnetizers, on eBay, I ran into a lot of CD/DVD demagnetizers What kind of a problem do they have with magnetism? Or is this like the DVD REWINDERS?

[cctalk] Re: Double Density 3.5" Floppy Disks

2024-05-06 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
Radio Shack used to sell a "Bulk Tape Eraser". I gave mine to the college. Those are on eBay, and even Amazon. About 25 years ago, Radio Shack/Tandy changed the label and box, and called it "Bulk Disk Eraser". The college bought one, and discarded mine. But, as everyone knows, the one

[cctalk] Re: Altair 8800 50th birthday...

2024-05-05 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
Yes, in those days, magazines were printed, and mailed out, or shipped to newstands before their nominal date, in order to be delivered by their nominal date. The intent was that people would have it by January 1st, so it would arrive in late December. So, the January 1975 one would have been

[cctalk] Saga of CP/M

2024-05-03 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
PL/M (think "PL/1") was a high level programming language for microprocessors. CP/M was also briefly called "Control Program and Monitor" It was written by Gary Kildall. (May 19, 1942 - july 11, 1994) Gary taught at Navy Postgraduate School in Monterey. He took a break in 1972, to complete his

[cctalk] Re: BASIC

2024-05-03 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
Where would you fit the Tandy Model 100 in here? On Fri, 3 May 2024, Gavin Scott via cctalk wrote: The Model 100 had a great keyboard, a text editor, and a built-in modem, and was apparently very popular among journalists who used it to write and submit stories from the field. So maybe it saw

[cctalk] Re: BASIC

2024-05-03 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
Where would you fit the Tandy Model 100 in here? Ultimately it supported a disk drive, ran basic and also sported an expansion box that included video support and a floppy. On Fri, 3 May 2024, Bill Gunshannon via cctalk wrote: Ultimately, so did the TRS-80. At least Model I, III and 4. and

[cctalk] Re: BASIC

2024-05-03 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
Yes, Microsoft certainly did not invent linked list allocation. But, the Microsoft implementation of the existing idea happened to be what inspired Tim Paterson to do it. On 5/3/24 11:05, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: "Remembering his conversation at NCC with Marc McDonald about

[cctalk] Re: BASIC

2024-05-03 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
On Fri, 3 May 2024, KenUnix via cctalk wrote: Steve, Where would you fit the Tandy Model 100 in here? Ultimately it supported a disk drive, ran basic and also sported an expansion box that included video support and a floppy. -Ken The Model 100 BASIC (puportedly the last product that billg

[cctalk] Re: BASIC

2024-05-03 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
On Fri, 3 May 2024, Steve Lewis via cctalk wrote: Microsoft BASIC appears on the 1979 NEC PC-8001, which includes disk drive support (similar to the later additions to Commodore BASIC also around 1980). But in the NEC PC-8001 manual about BASIC, it refers to a "FAT" format used on disks. So I

[cctalk] Re: What to take to a vintage computer show

2024-05-01 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
On Wed, 1 May 2024, Jim Brain via cctalk wrote: Games are always a good draw, even if that seems like cheating. In the early days of the Atari ST and Commodore Amiga, (and I may have the two reversed in the following anecdote), Atari had a nice display of a bouncing checkered beach ball.

[cctalk] Re: What to take to a vintage computer show

2024-05-01 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
Bring lots of business cards. Even if you aren't running a business, it's a lot better than standing there writing your contact information for everybofy that you want to stay in touch with. paper, pens, pencils, post-it notes, stapler, duct tape, voltmeter, batteries, flashlight, cash,

[cctalk] Re: APL (Was: BASIC

2024-05-01 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
On Wed, 1 May 2024, Mike Katz wrote: I remember replacing the character generator eprom (the type with the window for UV erasing) on an old ATI EGA video board so that I could have the APL character set. sweet At least one of the ATI EGA boards had a daughter board available to be able to

[cctalk] Re: BASIC

2024-05-01 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
On Wed, 1 May 2024, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: Yet FORTRAN, the granddaddy of them all, continues on... It should be noted that FORTRAN celebrates its 70th anniversary this year: I didn't start until May 29, 1965. I had previously been doing some keypunching, and 084 counting sorter. IBM

[cctalk] Re: APL (Was: BASIC

2024-05-01 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
APL was incredible.  I was amazed.  I was immediately able to do a few simple things that were useful for my boss and myself, and writing simple programs within hours.  Its matrix arithmetic was awesome. APL typeball on a selectric terminal at GSFC, . . . Some of the keys were re-labeled, but

[cctalk] Re: APL (Was: BASIC

2024-05-01 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
On Wed, 1 May 2024, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: To be sure, BASIC was hardly unique in terms of the 1960s interactive programming languages. We had JOSS, PILOT, IITRAN and a host of others, based on FORTRAN-ish syntax. not to forget APL, which was a thing apart. What would our world be like

[cctalk] Re: BASIC

2024-05-01 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
On Wed, 1 May 2024, Mike Katz wrote: I'm sorry but the original BASIC as run on the Dartmouth Time Sharing System was compiled. I wasn't around Dartmouth, and my first experiences with BASIC were all interpreted. I had run a trivial program in it on a Silent 700 connected through a phone

[cctalk] Re: BASIC

2024-05-01 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
I remember that one of the changes that "street" BASICs made was to make the keyword "LET" be optional. Thus, instead of writing LET X = 3 you could write X = 3 unfortunately, that further confused the issue of ASSIGNMENT versus EQUALITY, and many beginners tried to write 3 = X while they

[cctalk] Re: BASIC

2024-05-01 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
On Wed, 1 May 2024, Murray McCullough via cctalk wrote: Nostalgia keeps pressing ahead: It was 60 yrs. ago that BASIC came into existence. I remember very well writing in Apple Basic and GW Basic later on. As a non-compiled OS, an interpreted OS, it was just the right tool for a microcomputer

[cctalk] Re: Double Density 3.5" Floppy Disks

2024-04-30 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
On Tue, 30 Apr 2024, John Herron via cctalk wrote: Yup, that's all I used to do. Some scotch tape over the floppy disk hole to make the system see it as DD. If it didn't automatically format as 720, you could specify size or sector count with format.com in dos. Somemedia sensors are optical;

[cctalk] Re: Double Density 3.5" Floppy Disks

2024-04-30 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
A 720K 3.5" is about 600 Oersted; a 1.4M 3.5" is about 720-750 Oersted. You can format a 1.4M as 720K, and often, maybe even usually, get away with it; it will be just like a poor quality 720K. On drives with a media sensor, you can cover the hole during formatting. On Tue, 30 Apr 2024,

[cctalk] Re: PCs in home vs businesses (70s/80s)

2024-04-27 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
On Sat, 27 Apr 2024, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: I had checked it on an NEC V20, but not on MANY other CPUs. at least, I think that it was a V20. The code that I had written to try to identify which processor was running thought that it was. -- Grumpy Ol' Fred ci

[cctalk] Re: PCs in home vs businesses (70s/80s)

2024-04-27 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
How many know that AAM is a two byte instruction, with the second byte being 0Ah? Changing the second byte to 8 gave division by 8, etc. On Sat, 27 Apr 2024, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: Only for sure on Intel x86 processors. I believe that the NEC V20 assumes that the second byte is 0x0a

[cctalk] Re: PCs in home vs businesses (70s/80s)

2024-04-27 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
Did any one need REAL BCD math like the Big Boys had? On Sat, 27 Apr 2024, Jon Elson via cctalk wrote: No, this is a fallacy.  Binary arithmetic is as "accurate" as decimal.  Handling VERY large numbers in floating point loses some precision, but any computer can do multiple word binary quite

[cctalk] Re: PCs in home vs businesses (70s/80s)

2024-04-27 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
On Sat, 27 Apr 2024, Gary Grebus via cctalk wrote: By the time frame mentioned in the article (1981) there were many commercially available applications. There was also hardware (e.g. from DEC, DG, HP) that was of a scale where it would be dedicated to one application. At that time I worked

[cctalk] Re: Altair 8800 50th birthday...

2024-04-26 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
On Fri, 26 Apr 2024, Sellam Abraham via cctalk wrote: It really is a momentous event, and should be properly honored and celebrated. Wow, half a century. Thanks for bringing this up. Is this half a century from when they said, "Hey, you know what would be neat to build?" or from when they

[cctalk] OFF TOPIC: Doctor Who (was: Z80 vs other microprocessors of the time.

2024-04-24 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
On Wed, 24 Apr 2024, ben via cctalk wrote: This would be great, but I live on the other side of the pond and BBC anything is hard to find, let alone Micro's. Where is my "Dr. Who". Ben. I was able, quite easily, to order DVDs from Amazon.co.uk. That got me "Shada" (Doctor who written by

[cctalk] Re: Z80 vs other microprocessors of the time.

2024-04-24 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
Did the Dimension 68000 (a multi-processor machine) have Z80 and 6502? On Tue, 23 Apr 2024, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: Couldn't Bill Godbout's CPU-68K board co-exist with other CPU boards? Did he, or anybody else, make an S100 6502 CPU board?

[cctalk] Re: Z80 vs other microprocessors of the time.

2024-04-23 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
On Tue, 23 Apr 2024, Van Snyder via cctalk wrote: I had a "Magic Sac" thing-y that plugged into the ROM port of my Atari 1040. When I put a Mac ROM into its socket, I could run most Mac programs that I had. That was pretty cool The developer of it said that when he met with Apple's lawyers,

[cctalk] Re: Z80 vs other microprocessors of the time.

2024-04-23 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
Did the Dimension 68000 (a multi-processor machine) have Z80 and 6502? On Tue, 23 Apr 2024, Bill Gunshannon via cctalk wrote: What about the Tandy 16 and 6000. M68K and Z80. Yes. But the original comment that I was responding to was asking Z80 and 6502. Cromemco also had a 68000 and Z80

[cctalk] Re: Z80 vs other microprocessors of the time.

2024-04-23 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
/2024 7:00 PM, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: On Tue, 23 Apr 2024, Van Snyder via cctalk wrote: I shared an office with a lady who got a computer from Ohio Scientific that had both a Z80 and a 6502. It also had two 5/25" floppy drives. She also got a tee-shirt that said "I have two floppie

[cctalk] Re: Z80 vs other microprocessors of the time.

2024-04-23 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
On Tue, 23 Apr 2024, Van Snyder via cctalk wrote: I shared an office with a lady who got a computer from Ohio Scientific that had both a Z80 and a 6502. It also had two 5/25" floppy drives. She also got a tee-shirt that said "I have two floppies." Except she didn't. aside from her floppies, .

[cctalk] Re: Z80 vs other microprocessors of the time.

2024-04-22 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
Again, not impossible, but very likely not feasable. On Mon, 22 Apr 2024, Mike Katz wrote: Well not possible with the hardware available at the time. Some stuff is getting faster, . . . Can you estimate how much faster it would need to be? (perhaps then, log(2) of that, times 18 months?

[cctalk] Re: Z80 vs other microprocessors of the time.

2024-04-22 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
On Mon, 22 Apr 2024, Mike Katz via cctalk wrote: Cycle accurate emulation becomes impossible in the following circumstances: * Branch prediction and pipelining can cause out of order execution and the execution path become data dependent. * Cache memory.  It can be very difficult to predict a

[cctalk] Re: Z80 vs other microprocessors of the time.

2024-04-22 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
On 2024-04-22 1:02 p.m., Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: I'd like to see a Z80 implemented with UV-201 vacuum tubes... :) --Chuck On Mon, 22 Apr 2024, ben via cctalk wrote: Real computers use glow tubes like the NE-2 or the NE-77.:) I thought that real computers use gears

[cctalk] Re: Last Buy notification for Z80 (Z84C00 Product line)

2024-04-19 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
Gee! Have sales gone down? One more reason to use the 8080 subset when writing CP/M programs. Aren't there already some licensed second sources?

[cctalk] Re: Wang programmable calculator [was: Bomar 901b My wife found in my stuff. Is this as scarce at it seems?]

2024-04-16 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
On Tue, 16 Apr 2024, CAREY SCHUG via cctalk wrote: The wang calculator was hardly tiny, at least not the one I used in 1970-71. IIRC the size of a large lunchbox or maybe an attache case. AND...it could connect to four display units, an early timesharing system. I think you could have

[cctalk] Re: Bomar 901b My wife found in my stuff. Is this as scarce at it seems?s,?

2024-04-16 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
Although the HP-35 was the first "pocket calculator" from HP, it was not the first handheld calculator. On Wed, 17 Apr 2024, Adrian Godwin wrote: I think it was the first *scientific* pocket calculator though. I believe that that is correct. and Casio CFX-40/CFX-400 (1984?) was the first

[cctalk] Re: Bomar 901b My wife found in my stuff. Is this as scarce at it seems?s,?

2024-04-16 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
901B is the first pocket calculator I remember - I don't know if there were earlier ones. On Tue, 16 Apr 2024, Van Snyder via cctalk wrote: The first one I remember is the HP Digital Slide Rule, about 1965. Six digits. $600. The HP-35 was marketed with a name of "Electronic Slide Rule"

[cctalk] Re: Bomar 901b My wife found in my stuff. Is this as scarce at it seems?s,?

2024-04-16 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
On Mon, 15 Apr 2024, Don R via cctalk wrote: At first I misread the subject as my 901lb wife…. Man I need my eyes checked! ;o) Don Resor Sent from someone's iPhone Or read it on a larger screen. It clearly says "90lb", not "901lb" Bomar may be offended that you think that she gained 811

[cctalk] Re: IBM 350 disk and 305 drum [WAS:RE: Re: Drum memory on pdp11's? Wikipedia thinks so....]

2024-04-15 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
On Mon, 15 Apr 2024, Tom Gardner via cctalk wrote: The IBM 350 disk storage (RAMAC) has 5 million 6-bit characters or 3.75 MB; the actual recorded characters were 8-bits in length including a parity bit and a stop bit for each recorded 6-bit character It was announced as part of the IBM 305

[cctalk] Re: Odd IBM mass storage systems (was: Re: Re: IBM 360)

2024-04-13 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
On Fri, Apr 12, 2024 at 9:45 AM Christian Kennedy via cctalk wrote: While on the topic of odd IBM mass storage systems, does anyone recall an IBM system that used rotating carousels holding sheets of magnetic material? The carousel would rotate to position the selected sheet into the

[cctalk] Re: Other input devices.

2024-04-13 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
Did any one ever use a keyboard to magtape as input device? On Sat, 13 Apr 2024, Paul Koning via cctalk wrote: My wife did, sort of: for a while she worked with IBM MT/ST word processors. Those were very early word processing systems that used a custom magnetic tape cartridge for storage

[cctalk] Re: 5150 mobo?

2024-04-11 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
IIRC, there were two main models of 5150, and a few sub-models. All 5150 were five slot. (5160 (XT) had 8 slots) There was the "16-64KB" that had one row of 4116 soldered in, and three rows of sockets. It could be purchased with those other three rows populated, at a rather high price for

[cctalk] Re: Turbo Pascal Kermit for CP/M

2024-04-08 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
On Mon, 8 Apr 2024, Bill Gunshannon via cctalk wrote: I just can't believe none of he developers noticed or maybe that was the point where they all gave up. :-) Presumably, it worked on the machine that they were using. Not everybody tests everything on all possible configurations. SOME

[cctalk] Re: Turbo Pascal Kermit for CP/M

2024-04-08 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
Does the Turbo Pascal run on those machines with trivial source file? or subsets of the Kermit code? On Mon, 8 Apr 2024, Bill Gunshannon via cctalk wrote: Haven't tried any other programs yet as I really wanted Kermit but none of the other CP/M Kermits work on these machines (at least not so

[cctalk] Re: Turbo Pascal Kermit for CP/M

2024-04-08 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
On Mon, 8 Apr 2024, Bill Gunshannon via cctalk wrote: I'm having bit of fun with my various CP/M systems but I ran into what I see as an interesting problem. I got Turbo Pascal on two systems. A TRS-80 model 4P running Montezuma Micro CP/M and a TRS-80 Model II running Pickles & Trout CP/M.

[cctalk] Re: Cleanup time again

2024-04-04 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
On Thu, 4 Apr 2024, Bill Gunshannon via cctalk wrote: Well, The SoftCard and the Language Card (why did they call it that?) both go for $100 a piece. The one is a IIe, not a \\e. Was that "IIe", "][e", or "//e"? There are some on eBay now for more than $2000. I wouldn't expect that but I do

[cctalk] Re: oscilloscopes

2024-04-01 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
On Mon, 1 Apr 2024, Just Kant via cctalk wrote: I have more then I need. All the working ones are HP w/color crts, and as far as older, verifiably vintage tools (right down to the 680x0 processor in either) I have to admit I favor them as a brand. Call we an oddball, weird egg, badges I wear

[cctalk] Re: Amoeba OS

2024-03-28 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
OTOH, spammer mailing lists, and leaked personal and trade secrets seem to last forever. On Thu, 28 Mar 2024, ben via cctalk wrote: You forgot Mickey Mouse. Is the mouse's immortality due to his army of intellectual property lawyers?

[cctalk] Re: Amoeba OS

2024-03-28 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
On Thu, 28 Mar 2024, Bill Gunshannon via cctalk wrote: Remember when they said now that we had the web nothing would ever be lost again? :-( sho' nuff, the memory, attribution, and written forms of that concept are lost. "The internet is written in sand." For example, remember Howard

[cctalk] Re: How to shutdown RT11?

2024-03-23 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
You say that like fsck is reliable now... On Sat, 23 Mar 2024, Cameron Kaiser via cctalk wrote: There's a reason it's only one letter off. I've always wondered, . . . "Feature" or "bug"? Deliberate, or one of possibly many errors in development? -- Grumpy Ol' Fred

[cctalk] Re: emulating floppies [was: Paper tape in casettes...]

2024-02-27 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
CORRECTION: GCR was used on Apple2, 400K/800K Mac, Commodore, Sirius/Vector, etc. That should read Victor 9000, NOT Vector [Graphics] Vector Graphics was hard sectored, and not GCR. Northstar is probably the best known of the hard sector formats.

[cctalk] Re: emulating floppies [was: Paper tape in casettes...]

2024-02-27 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
On Tue, 27 Feb 2024, CAREY SCHUG via cctalk wrote: did not know about gcr/mfm on same floppy...if you respond, please mention who does that. gaak, I don't even recognize "gcr" at this point. I remember mfm and something else. mfm was single density, right? was gcr double density? does not

[cctalk] Re: VCF SoCal

2024-01-31 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
On Wed, 31 Jan 2024, Nigel Johnson Ham via cctalk wrote: I do remember reading that  lot of British computers were quite superior to the rest of the world, but sold for inland use only.  The reason given was that we couldn't figure out ow to make them leak oil! cheers, Nigel Did Lucas make

[cctalk] Re: VCF SoCal

2024-01-25 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
First time I am hearing of this. Are details up on the vcf site?-Ali On Thu, 25 Jan 2024, Sellam Abraham via cctalk wrote: Forgive me, I should not have assumed everyone already knew about it. February 17-18 at the Hotel Fera Event Center in Orange, California. https://www.vcfsocal.com/

[cctalk] Re: The Mac at 40

2024-01-24 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
and we can all stop copy and pastin from wikipedia to act like we know what we're talking about. On Wed, 24 Jan 2024, Tony Jones via cctalk wrote: You keep saying this. Why? It's rather childish. Most of my knowledge comes from personal interest (I wrote a Smalltalk VM in the late 80's),

[cctalk] Re: The Mac at 40

2024-01-24 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
and, of course, with anything that people caan get too close to, you will get "blind men and the elephant" discrepancies between any two accounts of the event. -- Grumpy Ol' Fred ci...@xenosoft.com

[cctalk] Re: The MAC at 40

2024-01-24 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
Well, if you compare a complete Mac, with a complete PC, including comparable hardware and software, they actually came out close to even! BUT, if you compare a complete Mac with an absolutley bare 5150PC, and shop for reasonable prices on RAM, drives, monitor, etc., with shareware software

[cctalk] Re: The MAC at 40

2024-01-24 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
On Wed, 24 Jan 2024, Murray McCullough via cctalk wrote: The Apple Mac, 40 years old, came from Xerox PARC’s GUI and Apple’s LISA. Not sure that it really changed computing though! Financially it didn't help Apple until after 1997 and Gate's investment. Although they still needed help, the Mac

[cctalk] Re: Intel 4004(sp?)

2023-11-22 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
Motorola tended to redesign from scratch, whereas Intel would modify their previous design. On Wed, 22 Nov 2023, Paul Koning wrote: Which might explain why the x86 ISA is such a convoluted tangle. Although redesign from scratch will tend to produce a better product, modifying previous

[cctalk] Re: Intel 4004(sp?)

2023-11-22 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
On Wed, 22 Nov 2023, ED SHARPE via cctalk wrote: Was there ever a COMPUTER using a 4004   that  you  cud  really  do  something or  did  tat finally arrive with the 8008  as  in the skelby shelby  sp? 8008 i now there  was an Intel   INTELIC 4 (?sp)    could n that  use 4004  or one of  the 

[cctalk] Re: Intel 4004

2023-11-22 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
me off the mailing list. Carl Yoder hummer51...@gmail.com On 11/21/2023 12:24 PM, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: > ISTR a 4004 on one of the boards of my DTC300 Hytype I daisy wheel > printers. > > (or has unrefreshed wetware dynamic RAM lost its content?) > > > -- >

[cctalk] Re: Intel 4004

2023-11-21 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
On Tue, 21 Nov 2023, Brent Hilpert via cctalk wrote: . . . the same time-frame (measured in months) of the 4004. IIRC, there's some argument there about development vs production vs release vs availability dates. also, "announcement" (cf. vaporware) Hence, it makes sense to acknowledge a

[cctalk] Re: Intel 4004

2023-11-21 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
ISTR a 4004 on one of the boards of my DTC300 Hytype I daisy wheel printers. (or has unrefreshed wetware dynamic RAM lost its content?) On Tue, 21 Nov 2023, Peter Wallace wrote: I think thats a 4040 Peter Wallace Sorry about that. Not sure whether to blame that on old-timers memory

[cctalk] Re: Intel 4004

2023-11-21 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
ISTR a 4004 on one of the boards of my DTC300 Hytype I daisy wheel printers. (or has unrefreshed wetware dynamic RAM lost its content?) -- Grumpy Ol' Fred ci...@xenosoft.com

[cctalk] Re: The World Wide Web

2023-10-02 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
On Mon, Oct 2, 2023 at 5:18 AM Stefan Skoglund via cctalk wrote: The main problem with that lorry hurtling down the freeway is latency. I need to move 1 PB . how long will it take filling and packing enough IBM LTO-9 tapes to send 1 PB ? How long does it takes to fill 1 tape with 18

[cctalk] Re: For Fred, especially: "Everything I know about floppy disks"

2023-09-10 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
In the 1990s, I started writing about floppy disks, how FM/MFM worked, IBM/WD track and sector structure, directory structures, DOS Utilities, disk repair, etc. But, got bogged down with too much to do, such as closing my office, etc., . . . On Sun, 10 Sep 2023, Ali wrote: Now this would be

[cctalk] Re: For Fred, especially: "Everything I know about floppy disks"

2023-09-10 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
If you want to build a ship, don't drum up people to collect wood and don't assign them tasks and work, but rather teach them to long for the endless immensity of the sea. On Sun, 10 Sep 2023, Sellam Abraham via cctalk wrote: We must teach Fred to long for the endless immensity of the written

[cctalk] Re: For Fred, especially: "Everything I know about floppy disks"

2023-09-10 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
On Sun, 10 Sep 2023, Will Cooke via cctalk wrote: I make an official motion that Fred write his own "Everything I Know About Floppy Disks" page / book /encyclopedia. I suspect that what is inside his head is the greatest collection of knowledge about floppies on the planet. Fred, you will be

[cctalk] Re: For Fred, especially: "Everything I know about floppy disks"

2023-09-10 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
On Sun, 10 Sep 2023, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: Can't say, but probably. I've got an 8" disk here written by an Apple II. Encoding is weird--basically the Apple RWTS encoded as 8 bit FM (3740) bytes. Haven't bothered to see from whence it came. On 9/10/23 13:31, Fred Cisin via c

[cctalk] Re: For Fred, especially: "Everything I know about floppy disks"

2023-09-10 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
On Sun, 10 Sep 2023, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: Can't say, but probably.  I've got an 8" disk here written by an Apple II.  Encoding is weird--basically the Apple RWTS encoded as 8 bit FM (3740) bytes. Haven't bothered to see from whence it came. Sorrento Valley Associates sold an FDC for

[cctalk] Re: For Fred, especially: "Everything I know about floppy disks"

2023-09-10 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
On Sun, 10 Sep 2023, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: Can't say, but probably. I've got an 8" disk here written by an Apple II. Encoding is weird--basically the Apple RWTS encoded as 8 bit FM (3740) bytes. Haven't bothered to see from whence it came. Sorrento Valley Associates sold an FDC for

[cctalk] Re: For Fred, especially: "Everything I know about floppy disks"

2023-09-10 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
On Sun, 10 Sep 2023, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: Now, let's talk about 2.8" and 3.25" drives; UK readers are certainly familiar with 3.0 inch CF drives used on Amstrads. Amdek? sold a dual 3" drive in USA, marketed as external drives. There were ads for it in one or more of the Coco

[cctalk] Re: For Fred, especially: "Everything I know about floppy disks"

2023-09-10 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
On Sun, 10 Sep 2023, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: There are 40 track derivatives; used for word processing, particularly on some Brother models. No big deal; when reading those, one simply double-steps a "normal" drive. In any case, as far as I recall, they all used Brother's proprietary GCR

[cctalk] Re: For Fred, especially: "Everything I know about floppy disks"

2023-09-10 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
It's odd that he brings up things such as 100tpi drives (VS 96tpi) and 3" (but not 3.25" on which Dysan bet the company), the very early 40 track 3.5", On Sun, 10 Sep 2023, Joshua Rice via cctalk wrote: What confused me, is that i believe the 3.5" Sony Microfloppy originally had 70 tracks.

[cctalk] Re: 8" DSDD to USB MSD?

2023-09-08 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
On Fri, 8 Sep 2023, Bill Degnan via cctalk wrote: I have had better luck with a P-III motherboard that connects to the 34-50 pin adapter in the middle and 8" on the other end. This way you can trick the BIOS of the computer to think the 8" drive is a 1.2Mb 5 1/4". With this set up I have made

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